What is the driving resistance force?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of driving resistance force in the context of tire dynamics, particularly focusing on the forces acting on a tire during driving and braking phases. Participants explore the implications of torque, rolling resistance, and tire deformation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the nature of driving resistance, noting that it appears opposite to the direction of movement and seeks clarification on its origin and effects.
  • Another participant suggests that the driving resistance arises from tire distortion due to torque loads, which compresses the tire in front of the contact patch during acceleration and has the opposite effect during braking.
  • A different viewpoint explains that a driving torque shifts the contact patch forward relative to the tire's axis, while braking shifts it backward, affecting the effective radius of the tire and introducing the concept of slip ratio.
  • Rolling resistance is mentioned as a factor due to hysteresis, where energy loss occurs during tire deformation and recovery.
  • One participant provides a mathematical interpretation of the forces involved, relating driving and braking forces to coefficients of friction and weight.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and implications of driving resistance, with no consensus reached on its definition or effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete understanding of driving resistance in tire dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various forces and effects without fully resolving the mathematical relationships or assumptions involved in their explanations. The discussion highlights the complexity of tire dynamics and the interplay of different forces.

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Hi,
I'm doing a study about tire dynamics and have some question that I can't get answers to.
The first images shows the forces balances. Since we have no turqe the force has to balance ant the extensence of the T_r is obvious.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12866097/20160210_114226_resized.jpg
However in the below picture when a Turqe is present we have a Driving resistance which I don't understand. You have the rolling resistance ofcourse but what is the driving resistance. The do not talk about aerodynamic force so it should not be it. and we see that T_d is to opposite direction of the movement. why is that? and how does it feel? it pushes the tire backwords? the presence of Driving force would explain it but what is it?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12866097/20160210_114210_resized.jpg
On the brake phase you have the driving resistance backwords too and it make the T_b forwards. Please somebody explain it to me.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12866097/20160210_114217_resized.jpg

Thanks in advance
 
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If you look at the solid profile lines vs the dashed line circle in each of the examples you will see that due the torque load of power being applied to the wheel the tire is distorted by being compressed in front of the contact patch and just the reverse occurs in the case of braking (which acts like a reverse torque being applied); and it is these distortions of the tire that create the added "driving resistance" in each case.
 
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It would make more sense to explain that a driving torque shifts the contact patch forwards relative to the tire's axis, and a braking force shifts the contact patch backwards, due to the tire surface stretching in the direction of rotation. The effective radius of the tire is affected by this stretching, and the amount of stretching is quantified by the term slip ratio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_ratio

There's also rolling resistance due to hysteresis, the forces during recovery are less than the forces that occur during deformation, due to hysteresis, where some energy is converted into heat as a tire rolls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance
 
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Upon the figures and text I understand that T_d and T_b are respectively the reaction force on the wheel hub to driving force (mu_d-mu_r)*W and braking force (mu_b+mu_r)*W.

mu_r is a measure for the energy loss during rolling (rolling resistance) --> Rolling resistance force = mu_r*W
 

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