What is the Effect of a Non-Inertial Frame on Motion?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the effects of non-inertial frames on motion, specifically using the example of a puck sliding on ice in relation to Earth's rotation. The original poster expresses difficulty in grasping the concept as presented in their textbook.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of viewing motion from different frames of reference, questioning how the apparent deflection of the puck relates to fictitious forces in non-inertial frames.

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Some participants are attempting to clarify the original poster's confusion by providing analogies, such as comparing the scenario to a rotating turntable. There is an ongoing exploration of how motion is perceived differently depending on the frame of reference.

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The original poster is seeking to understand a specific example from their textbook, which may not provide sufficient clarity on the relationship between inertial and non-inertial frames. The discussion includes references to idealized conditions, such as frictionless surfaces.

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So I'm having some trouble understanding this paragraph from my textbook. I was hoping that maybe someone could explain it to me.

For example, we can assume that the ground is an inertial frame provided we can neglect Earth's astronomical motions(such as its rotation). That assumption works well if, say, a puck is sent sliding along a short strip of frictionless ice-we would find that the puck's motion obeys Newton's laws. However, suppose the puck is sent sliding along a long ice strip extending from the north pole. If we view the puck from a stationary frame in space, the puck moves south along a simple straight line because Earth's rotation around the north pole merely slides the ice beneath the puck. However, if we view the puck from a point on the ground so that we rotate with Earth, the puck's path is not a simple straight line. Because the eastward speed of the ground beneath the puck is greater the farther south the puck slides from our ground-based view the puck appears to be deflected westward. However, this apparent deflection is caused not by a force as required by Newton's laws but by the fact that we see the puck from a rotating frame. In this situation, the ground is a noninertial frame, and trying to explain the deflection in terms of a force would lead us to a fictitious force, A more common example of inventing such a nonexistent force can occur in a car that is rapidly increasing in speed. You might claim that a force to the rear shoves you hard into the seat back.
 
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All of it! I'm beginning to get a grasp on the idea of inertial frames, but that specific example is throwing me off for some reason. I like to be able to put it into my own words when I'm outlining the chapter and I'm having difficulty visualizing what its trying to say.
 
hi jdawg! :smile:

jdawg said:
However, suppose the puck is sent sliding along a long ice strip extending from the north pole. If we view the puck from a stationary frame in space, the puck moves south along a simple straight line because Earth's rotation around the north pole merely slides the ice beneath the puck. However, if we view the puck from a point on the ground so that we rotate with Earth, the puck's path is not a simple straight line. Because the eastward speed of the ground beneath the puck is greater the farther south the puck slides from our ground-based view the puck appears to be deflected westward.

the ice (in theory) has no friction, so the puck is not affected by whether the ice is moving

perhaps this is clearer on a rotating turntable made of ice …

if you slide a puck along the ice, it will move in the same straight line (relative to the ground) as if the turntable was stationary

relative to the rotating turntable, however, that straight line will not be straight
 
tiny-tim said:
hi jdawg! :smile:



the ice (in theory) has no friction, so the puck is not affected by whether the ice is moving

perhaps this is clearer on a rotating turntable made of ice …

if you slide a puck along the ice, it will move in the same straight line (relative to the ground) as if the turntable was stationary

relative to the rotating turntable, however, that straight line will not be straight

Ohh thank you so much! That makes so much more sense :)
 

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