Increase Of Rotational Inertia While Motion Occurs

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a puck and a ball of putty in a rotational motion scenario. The problem examines concepts of angular momentum, mechanical energy, and momentum conservation during a collision on a frictionless surface.

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  • Participants explore the conservation of angular momentum during the collision and question whether the momentum of the system remains constant. They discuss the implications of forces acting during the collision and the effects on mechanical energy.

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Some participants suggest that angular momentum is conserved despite the collision, while others question the conservation of momentum and mechanical energy, leading to a nuanced exploration of these concepts. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the conservation of momentum and energy.

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Participants note that the problem involves a collision where the putty sticks to the puck, raising questions about the forces involved and their impact on the system's energy and momentum. The discussion reflects on the definitions and conditions under which conservation laws apply.

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The puzzle is:

"The figure below represents a small, flat puck with mass m = 2.24 kg sliding on a frictionless, horizontal surface. It is held in a circular orbit about a fixed axis by a rod with negligible mass and length R = 1.03 m, pivoted at one end. Initially, the puck has a speed of v = 4.63 m/s. A 1.40-kg ball of putty is dropped vertically onto the the puck from a small distance above it and immediately sticks to the puck.

(a) What is the new period of rotation?

(b) Is the angular momentum of the puck–putty system about the axis of rotation constant in this process?

(c) Is the momentum of the system constant in the process of the putty sticking to the puck?

(d) Is the mechanical energy of the system constant in the process?"

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I was able to solve part (a).

For part (b), even though there is a collision, causing the putty and the puck to exert a force on each other, the forces are balanced, meaning the net force is zero, and the angular momentum is conserved. Is that right? So momentum would be conserved?

For part (c), didn't we sort of answer this question in part (b)?

For part (d), the answer is that mechanical energy is not conserved (constant) in the process. Why isn't it, though? Yes, I admit that the force of gravity pulls on the piece of putty, having it descend into the puck; there is force, but it is not being applied over a distance (work) to cause its state of energy to change--the force isn't even in the same direction as the motion, it is perpendicular to it.
 

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Even if forces were not zero during colision, they are perpendicular to the direction of motion, so they don't have to be considered. Angular momentum is preserved during the process and this is the key to the answer. Calculate angular momentum (L=Ιω) defore and after the colision, using the correct moments of inertia (there is a change in the mass of the rotating object but not a change in radius of rotation), Angular velocity before colision is known (ω=v/R) but unkown after the colision. Equate the two expressions of angular momentum and find angular velocity (it should be about 62% of the initial).
b) correct
c) almost. calculate momentum (mv) before and after colision. They should be the same.
d) When the putty stuck to the puck, it had not angular momentum, so it had to obtain some in order to move in circular orbit. That is why the angular velocity decreased: the putty "stole" angular momentum from the puck, as much as it needed to co-rotate with the puck. But putty also needed rotational energy, that is where the loss of energy came from. Although there is not an applied external force to the system, there is a inertial force that is opposed to the direction of motion. That inertal force is caused by the non-moving putty that is accelerated to reach the initial velocity.
 
For part (c), are you saying that the momentum is conserved? Because the answer key says it isn't
 
Then this is a trick question. Althought the magnitude of momentum is conserved (to see it, divide both sides of angular momentum conservation equation by R) it's direction is never constant (it's not before nor after the collision). Since momentum is defined as a vector, then it is not constant. The answer would be positive if it was referring about it's magnitude only
 

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