What Is the Electric Potential Inside an Insulated Metal Cube?

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The problem involves determining the electric potential inside an insulated metal cube with specific boundary conditions. The cube has dimensions defined by x, y, and z coordinates, with certain walls held at a potential V0 and others grounded.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the symmetry of the problem, particularly around the z-axis, and question whether the potential can be expressed as a function of only two coordinates. There is also exploration of the separation of variables method and how to apply boundary conditions to the potential function.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the formulation of the potential and the implications of symmetry. Some have pointed out potential errors in the original post's equations and are discussing corrections and alternative formulations without reaching a consensus.

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There are discussions about the limits of integration and the need for clarification on the boundary conditions. Participants are also considering the implications of symmetry on the potential function.

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Homework Statement




A metal box has 6 walls, all insulated from one another. The left and right wall are held at V= V0, which are at y=-d and y=d. All the other walls are grounded.

The cube has dimensions where walls run from x=0 to x=2d, z=0 to z=2d, and y=-d to y=d.

Homework Equations



separation of variables in 3D:
[itex]\frac{1}{X}[/itex][itex]\frac{\partial^{2} V}{\partial X}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{Y}[/itex][itex]\frac{\partial^{2} V}{\partial Y}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{Z}[/itex][itex]\frac{\partial^{2} V}{\partial Z}[/itex] =0

Boundary conditions:
V(x,0) = 0
V(x,2d) = 0
V(y, -d) = V0
V(y,d) = V0
V(z,0) = 0
V(z,2d) = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I am thinking that there is symmetry around z, so we can only worry about x and y.

V(x,y) = (Asinh(kx) + Bcosh(kx))(Ce^{ky} + De^{-ky})
which simplifies to (2cosh(ky)(Asinh(kx) + Bcosh(kx)).

Assuming all the above is correct, I am having issues at this point. I need to put this into a sum, which according to Griffiths should look something like

[itex]\sum[/itex] Cn cosh( npiy/a)sin(npix/a) = V0.

I don't understand how to simplify this. I have limits of integration, but I am not sure where an integral can arise from this.

Thank you.
 
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Seems more natural to me to have all three coordinates run from -d to +d.
I am thinking that there is symmetry around z, so we can only worry about x and y.
Yes, there are symmetries, but I don't see this allows you to write the potential as a function of only two coordinates. It should be an even function wrt x, y and z, and there should be a symmetry between x and z.
 
Ok, that makes sense. So, with all three coordinates, the expression should be:

∑ Cn cosh( npiy/a)sin(npix/a)sin(npiz) = V0.

But what's next?
 
Just noticed this was wrong in the OP:
jerro said:
[itex]\frac{1}{X}[/itex][itex]\frac{\partial^{2} V}{\partial X}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{Y}[/itex][itex]\frac{\partial^{2} V}{\partial Y}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{Z}[/itex][itex]\frac{\partial^{2} V}{\partial Z}[/itex] =0
You mean (1)## \frac{\partial^2 V}{\partial X^2}+\frac{\partial^2 V}{\partial Y^2}+\frac{\partial^2 V}{\partial Z^2} =0##and by separation of variables to V=F(x)G(y)H(z):
(2) ##\frac1F\frac{\partial^2 F}{\partial X^2}=a_n, \frac1G\frac{\partial^2 G}{\partial Y^2}=b_n, \frac1H\frac{\partial^2 H}{\partial Z^2} =c_n## where ##a_n+b_n+c_n=0##.
jerro said:
∑ Cn cosh( npiy/a)sin(npix/a)sin(npiz) = V0.
Surely that should be something like V(x,y,z) = ∑ Cn cosh( nπy/d)sin(nπx/d)sin(nπz/d). V0 applies whenever |y|=d:
∑ Cn cosh( npiy/a)sin(npix/a)sin(npiz) = V0.
Even then, doesn't seem to me that it satisfies (1). Maybe need a √2 factor inside the cosh?
 

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