What is the Epsilon-Delta Method for Proving Limits?

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The discussion revolves around the epsilon-delta method for proving limits, specifically focusing on the limit of the function (1 + 2x)/(3 - x) as x approaches 1. Participants explore the steps involved in establishing the limit and express varying levels of readiness for epsilon-delta proofs.

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  • One participant presents an initial attempt to apply the epsilon-delta definition to show that the limit is 3/2, expressing a desire to find a delta that satisfies the condition.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the epsilon-delta proof, manipulating the inequality and suggesting a restriction on |x - 1| to facilitate the proof.
  • There are comments suggesting that the original poster may not be fully prepared for epsilon-delta proofs, indicating a perceived gap in understanding.
  • One participant humorously notes the struggle of being "perpetually stuck" in the learning process.
  • The detailed proof steps are reiterated by multiple participants, emphasizing the mathematical manipulations involved in reaching a conclusion.

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There is no consensus on the readiness of the original poster for epsilon-delta proofs, with some participants expressing skepticism about their preparedness. The discussion includes multiple perspectives on the proof process, and no final agreement is reached regarding the limit proof itself.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and readiness for epsilon-delta proofs, with some steps in the proof process remaining complex or unresolved. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of the mathematical manipulations involved.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about the epsilon-delta method, those seeking to understand the nuances of limit proofs, and individuals interested in mathematical reasoning and proof techniques.

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Use the epsilon-delta method to show that the limit is 3/2 for the given function.

lim (1 + 2x)/(3 - x) = 3/2
x-->1

I want to find a delta so that | x - 1| < delta implies |f(x) - L| < epsilon.

| (1 + 2x)/(3 - x) - (3/2) | < epsilon

-epsilon < (1 + 2x)/(3 - x) - 3/2 < epsilon

I now add 3/2 to all terms.

(3/2) - epsilon < (1 + 2x)/(3 - x) < (3/2) + epsilonStuck here...
 
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You are nowhere near ready for $\displaystyle \epsilon \,\delta $ proofs, but for anyone playing at home...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| \frac{1 + 2\,x}{3 - x} - \frac{3}{2} \right| &< \epsilon \\
\left| \frac{2 \left( 1 + 2\,x \right) - 3 \left( 3 - x \right) }{ 2 \left( 3 - x \right) } \right| &< \epsilon \\
\left| \frac{2 + 4\,x - 9 + 3\,x}{2 \left( 3 - x \right) } \right| &< \epsilon \\
\left| \frac{7\,x - 7}{2 \left( 3 - x \right) } \right| &< \epsilon \\
\frac{7 \left| x - 1 \right| }{ 2 \left| 3 - x \right| } &< \epsilon \\
\frac{\left| x - 1 \right| }{\left| x - 3 \right| } &< \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7} \\
\left| x - 1 \right| &< \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7} \, \left| x - 3 \right| \end{align*} $

Now suppose we restrict $\displaystyle \left| x - 1 \right| < 1 $ for example, then

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} -1 < x - 1 &< 1 \\
-3 < x - 3 &< -1 \end{align*}$

so we can say for certain that if $\displaystyle \left| x - 1 \right| < 1 $, then $\displaystyle \left| x - 3 \right| < 3 $. Therefore

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| x - 1 \right| < \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7}\,\left| x - 3 \right| &< \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7} \cdot 3 \\
\left| x - 1 \right| < \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7}\,\left| x - 3 \right| &< \frac{6\,\epsilon}{7} \\
\left| x - 1 \right| &< \frac{6\,\epsilon}{7} \end{align*} $

So we can finally get to the proof now...

Let $\displaystyle \delta = \min \left\{ 1, \frac{6\,\epsilon}{7} \right\} $, then reverse every step and you are done.
 
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Prove It said:
You are nowhere near ready for $\displaystyle \epsilon \,\delta $ proofs, but for anyone playing at home...
I think you just captured the essence of him who's perpetually stuck.
 
Prove It said:
You are nowhere near ready for $\displaystyle \epsilon \,\delta $ proofs, but for anyone playing at home...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| \frac{1 + 2\,x}{3 - x} - \frac{3}{2} \right| &< \epsilon \\
\left| \frac{2 \left( 1 + 2\,x \right) - 3 \left( 3 - x \right) }{ 2 \left( 3 - x \right) } \right| &< \epsilon \\
\left| \frac{2 + 4\,x - 9 + 3\,x}{2 \left( 3 - x \right) } \right| &< \epsilon \\
\left| \frac{7\,x - 7}{2 \left( 3 - x \right) } \right| &< \epsilon \\
\frac{7 \left| x - 1 \right| }{ 2 \left| 3 - x \right| } &< \epsilon \\
\frac{\left| x - 1 \right| }{\left| x - 3 \right| } &< \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7} \\
\left| x - 1 \right| &< \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7} \, \left| x - 3 \right| \end{align*} $

Now suppose we restrict $\displaystyle \left| x - 1 \right| < 1 $ for example, then

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} -1 < x - 1 &< 1 \\
-3 < x - 3 &< -1 \end{align*}$

so we can say for certain that if $\displaystyle \left| x - 1 \right| < 1 $, then $\displaystyle \left| x - 3 \right| < 3 $. Therefore

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| x - 1 \right| < \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7}\,\left| x - 3 \right| &< \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7} \cdot 3 \\
\left| x - 1 \right| < \frac{2\,\epsilon}{7}\,\left| x - 3 \right| &< \frac{6\,\epsilon}{7} \\
\left| x - 1 \right| &< \frac{6\,\epsilon}{7} \end{align*} $

So we can finally get to the proof now...

Let $\displaystyle \delta = \min \left\{ 1, \frac{6\,\epsilon}{7} \right\} $, then reverse every step and you are done.

Wish I knew how to do this stuff. Thanks Prove It.
 

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