What is the function of leading edge flaps in aircraft?

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The discussion revolves around the function of leading edge flaps in aircraft, particularly in relation to their role during takeoff and landing. Participants explore the mechanics of flaps and slats, their effects on lift and drag, and the implications for aircraft performance in various phases of flight.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that flaps (trailing edge) and slats (leading edge) increase the wing's surface area and camber to enhance lift during takeoff and landing.
  • One participant suggests that slats allow for higher angles of attack without stalling by maintaining airflow over the wing.
  • Another participant notes that extending flaps or slats adjusts the angle of attack without changing the aircraft's orientation.
  • There are conflicting views on the deployment of flaps during takeoff, with some stating that only moderate flap deployment is appropriate to minimize drag, while others argue that full flaps create excessive drag.
  • Some participants highlight that slats are indeed used during takeoff to manage angles of attack, particularly during climb out.
  • A later reply emphasizes that slats can reduce takeoff roll and stall speed, but they are typically retracted once the aircraft is safely airborne.
  • One participant questions the necessity of both flaps and slats, suggesting that flaps could be made larger to achieve similar effects, while others clarify the distinct roles of slats in managing angles of attack.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the specifics of flap and slat deployment during takeoff and landing. While there is some consensus on the general functions of these components, the details of their usage and effects remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about aircraft design and performance that are not universally applicable. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the roles of flaps and slats, and the terminology used may lead to confusion among participants.

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Here's what I know from basic tech school: Flaps = trailing dge and slats = leading edge. ?Flaps and slats aid in both take-off and landing. I'm just not sure how they do so. My guess is that during takeoff, the combo increases the wing surface area thus allowing lift at lower airspeeds. During landing, the slats keep the aircraft from falling out of the sky at low airspeeds by increasing lift while the flaps create drag about the wing thus slowing the aircraft for safe landing speeds. First, is this accurate and second, what is the function of leading edge flaps?
 
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In short, flaps (leading or trailing) increase the surface area and camber of the wing to increase lift. Slat allow for higher angles of attack without stall by keeping airflow attached to the wing. I'm sure wiki has in depth articles on both...
 
Indeed. Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flap_(aircraft )
 
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Extending a flap or slat also adjusts the angle of attack while allowing the airframe to remain in the same orientation in space. In other words, without extending a flap or slat, tho only way to adjust the AOA would be to pitch up or pitch down the aircraft.

http://www.myaeromodelling.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/cf1.jpg
 
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during take off u want high lift and low drag...only flaps are deployed moderately while during u want high lift and high drag...both are deployed to their extreme positions...hope this answers your query..
 
parekhharsh_j said:
during take off u want high lift and low drag...only flaps are deployed moderately while during u want high lift and high drag...both are deployed to their extreme positions...hope this answers your query..

Full flaps are not used on takeoffs - they create too much drag.
 
Cyrus said:
Full flaps are not used on takeoffs - they create too much drag.
hence the word "moderately deployed"
 
I always thought slats were used on take-off due to the angles of attack involved during climb. (They are also used during landing if required.)

It depends what type of slat you have. On light aircraft they can be automatic, deploying at high AOA situations.
 
parekhharsh_j said:
hence the word "moderately deployed"

Your post is unclear and confusing, as you then went on to say: "..both are deployed to their extreme positions..." I think you should reword that post so others can understand what it is you're saying.
 
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m sorry i missed the word "Landing" :-)

during take off u want high lift and low drag...only flaps are deployed moderately while during landing u want high lift and high drag...both are deployed to their extreme positions only during landing...
 
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parekhharsh_j said:
m sorry i missed the word "Landing" :-)

during take off u want high lift and low drag...only flaps are deployed moderately while during landing u want high lift and high drag...both are deployed to their extreme positions only during landing...

There you go, all better now :wink:.
 
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Yes, it might be easier to understand, but slats are still used during take off, according to parekhharsh_j, only flaps are used 'moderately' during take-off. Highest angles of attack occur during the climb out, so you need them.
 
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jarednjames said:
Yes, it might be easier to understand, but slats are still used during take off, according to parekhharsh_j, only flaps are used 'moderately' during take-off. Highest angles of attack occur during the climb out, so you need them.

Yes, that's correct. The word 'only' should be omitted in his sentence. Anyways- this thread is now beating a dead horse.
 
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Slats can be used for takeoff to reduce takeoff roll and stall speed while transitioning to climb configuration (clean - slats and flaps full retracted). They're typically used only as required for short takeoff or (near-ground) obstacle clearance requirements.

Otherwise, as parekhharsh_j stated, only flaps are used 'moderately' during take-off, and that's only to decrease stall speed and decrease AOA during rotation. The moment the aircraft is safely away from the ground, it's "Gear Up," as as the aircraft accelerates beyond a velocity where flaps are required, it's "Flaps Up."

Climb configuration is always clean, and done at L/D9max as that produces the best angle of climb required to clear larger obstacles, such as mountains. It's a misnomer to think that either slats or flaps increase climb rate or angle. They do neither one. All they do is reduce stall speed required during slow airspeeds.

One might ask "if that's all they do, and flaps do the same, to a lesser degree, when why not just make flaps larger?" The issue is that with while flaps reduce stall speed and AOA, slats actually increase AOA! Thus, with full flaps AOA is decreased too much. Slats are used to balance this somewhat while providing additional reductions in stall speed.

Now the horse is dead. I'm off.
 

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