What is the General Solution to a First Order Linear Differential Equation?

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The problem involves finding the general solution to the first-order linear differential equation given by xy' + (ln{x})y = 0. Participants are exploring methods of integration and algebraic manipulation to arrive at the correct solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use separation of variables and integrates both sides, but struggles with simplifying the resulting expression. Other participants suggest revisiting the integration of ln(x)/x and consider using u-substitution for simplification.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing integration techniques and questioning the correctness of the original poster's algebraic steps. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of u-substitution, and there is an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings in integration methods.

Contextual Notes

The original poster references a discrepancy between their result and the expected solution from the textbook, indicating a need for clarification on integration techniques and algebraic manipulation. There is mention of confusion regarding the integral of ln(x) and the use of absolute values in integration.

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Homework Statement



Find the General Solution:

[tex]xy\prime + (\ln{x})y = 0[/tex]

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so I used the separation of variable method to get

[tex]\frac{y\prime}{y} = -\frac{\ln{x}}{x}[/tex]

Then I took the integral of both side to get

[tex]\ln{y} = -( x \ln{x} - x )( \ln{x} ) + C[/tex]

then I got rid of the ln(y) and factored out the x on the other side to get

[tex]y = ce^{-x \ln{x} ( \ln{x} - 1)}[/tex]


The back of the book tells me I should get

[tex]y = ce^{-(\ln{x})^{2}/2}[/tex]

I think what I'm having trouble with is the algebra involved in simplifying the exponent amongst other things... So how do I get what I have, to what I'm supposed to get?
 
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Try integrating ln(x)/x again. It didn't go very well. Try differentiating what you got, you won't get ln(x)/x.
 
I thought that might be wrong. Well since it can be separated into (lnx)*(1/x) I integrated them seperatley and multiplied them. So the integration table in my book has the integral of ln(x) to be (xlnx-x) then times (ln(x)) gives me (ln(x))(xlnx-x)... I can't seem to find how to integrat ln in my old calc. text. Is that where I'm screwing up?
 
Try a simple u-substitution. The right one makes for a very simple result.
 
Whoa! There is no such integral product rule. It's a simple u substitution. Set u=ln(x) and change the variable to u.
 
Dang! (said in best Napolean Dynamite voice)... I really got to go back and refresh myself on the ol' integration methods. Thanks for your help

I used u=lnx of cours to get du=1/x so it simplifies to udu etc...

Thanks for the help!
 
since my text is saying integral of ln(abs(u)) = u ln(abs(u)) - u, is where I went wrong? but I wouldn't think abs value would make a big diff.
 

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