What is the Generalised Mean Value Theorem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Generalised Mean Value Theorem and its relationship with the Taylor series. Participants explore the derivation of the Taylor series using the Mean Value Theorem, the role of the remainder term, and the implications of function growth rates.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the Mean Value Theorem's connection to the Taylor series and express confusion over its representation.
  • Others describe the derivation of the Taylor series using the n-th antiderivative and the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, mentioning the remainder term and its behavior under certain growth conditions.
  • One participant references a specific textbook (Arfken) that provides a detailed derivation involving definite integrals.
  • Multiple participants share links to Wikipedia for additional explanations, noting that the integral method is discussed but the Mean Value Theorem's role is not clearly articulated.
  • A participant mentions having seen a proof of the Generalised Mean Value Theorem that fully explains its connection to Taylor series.
  • Another participant recalls that the Mean Value Theorem can be proven independently and that the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus can be derived from it.
  • There is a distinction made between the standard Mean Value Theorem and the Generalised Mean Value Theorem, with the latter involving induction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and clarity regarding the Mean Value Theorem's application in the context of Taylor series. There is no consensus on the best way to explain or derive these concepts, and multiple viewpoints on the relationship between the Mean Value Theorem and the Taylor series are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate that the explanations provided in external resources may not fully address the role of the Mean Value Theorem in the proofs discussed. There is also mention of assumptions regarding function growth rates that are not explicitly defined.

pivoxa15
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Does anyone know the mean value theorem associated with the Taylor series. Representing the Taylor series a finite sum and an end term? I don't get how they get it to look that way.
 
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can you be more specific about what you'Re asking?
 
i have seen the taylor series derived that way..you consider the n-th antiderivative of the n derivative. when you apply the fundamental thm of calculus you will get a series of terms that define the taylor series, with a remainder term. you use the mean value theorem to show that the remainder will go to 0 as long as your function grows no faster than n!
 
quetzalcoatl9 said:
i have seen the taylor series derived that way..you consider the n-th antiderivative of the n derivative. when you apply the fundamental thm of calculus you will get a series of terms that define the taylor series, with a remainder term. you use the mean value theorem to show that the remainder will go to 0 as long as your function grows no faster than n!

This could be it but I don't follow it very well.
 
pivoxa15 said:
This could be it but I don't follow it very well.

i know, but i don't feel like typing out all of the latex. just write out taking N definite integrals over some interval for a function that has been differentiated N times.

Arfken does exactly this derivation in his book (pg. 260 in the 2nd edition)
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor's_theorem

Quite good explanations. This stuff was left unclear to me when I was sleeping in the calculus classes, but now I feel like understanding the integral trickery that is done in the Wikipedia's article.
 
jostpuur said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor's_theorem

Quite good explanations. This stuff was left unclear to me when I was sleeping in the calculus classes, but now I feel like understanding the integral trickery that is done in the Wikipedia's article.

that is exactly the method that i was referring to. as long as the function doesn't grow faster than n! you will be fine and the remainder term will go to zero

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jostpuur said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor's_theorem

Quite good explanations. This stuff was left unclear to me when I was sleeping in the calculus classes, but now I feel like understanding the integral trickery that is done in the Wikipedia's article.

THe problem is they still didn't mention how the mean value theorem works in the proof.
 
pivoxa15 said:
THe problem is they still didn't mention how the mean value theorem works in the proof.

you invoke the mean value thm in order to convert the integral into the remainder term. in other words,

[tex] \int_a^b f(x) dx = (b - a)f(y)[/tex]

where y is an element of the interval (a,b)
 
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I've seen a proof of the genearlised mean value theorem in books and its long but it finally explained it fully in terms of Taylor series.
 
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i seem to recall that the MVT can be proven all by itself, and that the fundamental theorem of calculus can be derived from it
 
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But the generalised MVT is something else. It involves using induction.
 

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