What Is the Half Derivative of (ax+c)^(3/2)?

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The discussion revolves around the computation of the half derivative of the function (ax+c)^(3/2). Participants explore methods and concepts related to fractional calculus, particularly focusing on the challenges and approaches to deriving fractional derivatives.

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  • One participant asks for help in computing the half derivative of (ax+c)^(3/2).
  • Another participant suggests that taking everything under a common square root is tempting but not applicable for the derivative operator.
  • A different approach is proposed using the Riemann-Liouville operator for defining the fractional derivative, recommending first computing the fractional integral before the classical derivative to avoid convergence issues.
  • An alternative method is mentioned where the classical derivative is computed first, followed by fractional integration, although it is noted that this approach is generally not recommended.
  • One participant shares their experience using fractional derivatives in complex impedance analysis, highlighting the relevance of half derivatives in modeling electrical properties and referencing a specific paper on the topic.

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Participants present multiple approaches to computing the half derivative, indicating that there is no consensus on a single method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

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Some methods discussed may depend on specific definitions and assumptions related to fractional calculus, and there are unresolved issues regarding the convergence of integrals in certain approaches.

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d^1/2(ax+c)^(3/2)/dx^(1/2)=? please help me :)
 
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It is tempting to start by taking everything under the common square root, isn't it?
However, you have probably figured out that this does not work for the derivative operator.

Just like when y=x^{1/2}, you are actually looking for y: y^2=x, when you see D^{1/2}f you are actually looking to use something like Hf(x) <img src="/styles/physicsforums/xenforo/smilies/arghh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":H" title="Gah! :H" data-shortname=":H" />^2f(x)=Df(x).

Look for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_calculus]fractional[/PLAIN] calculus[/itex].
 
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d^1/2(ax+c)^(3/2)/dx^(1/2)=? please help me :)

In using the Riemann-Liouville operator for the definition of the fractionnal derivative, and in order to avoid somme difficulties of integral convergence, it will be simpler to :
First, compute the fractional integral (order 1/2) of the function.
Then, compute the classical derivative.
 

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Even simpler, by performing first the classical derivation, then the fractionnal integration (joint page)
(be carefull with this manner, which is generally not recommended. But in the present case, it works)
 

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You're welcome !

I used fractionnal derivatives in complex impedance analysis.
The particular case of half derivative is common in modeling the electrical properties of many homogeneous compounds (a particular behaviour and impedance, long ago loosely refreed as Warburg's impedance).
Especially, the fractionnal derivatives of the sinusoidal functions are interesting.
For example, in the paper "The Phasance Concept", pp.5-6
http://www.scribd.com/JJacquelin/documents
 

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