What is the Inverse Laplace Transform of (1/s) * (√s-1)/(√s+1)?

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The problem involves finding the Inverse Laplace Transform of the expression (1/s) * (√s - 1)/(√s + 1). The discussion centers around the analysis of singularities and branch points, particularly at s = 0 and s = 1, and the implications for contour integration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of singularities and branch points, and the use of contour integration techniques. There are attempts to derive expressions for integrals along different parts of the contour, and questions arise regarding the correctness of these expressions and how to combine them.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on numerical approaches and suggested checking results against known outputs from software like Mathematica. There is ongoing exploration of the contributions from different parts of the contour, with no explicit consensus reached on the final form of the solution.

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Participants note the ambiguity in defining contours and the implications of different choices for the parameter γ in the Bromwich integral, indicating that the problem involves careful consideration of analytic properties and contour paths.

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Homework Statement



Find the Inverse Laplace Transform of

[itex]\frac{1}{s}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{\sqrt{s}-1}{\sqrt{s}+1}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution



for this question i found the singularities to be at 0 and when s = 1. (as the sqrt of 1 is ± 1) there is also a branch point that runs from 0→-∞. so if you take a contour that runs vertically to the right of all singularities. then arcs down towards the axis then along the branch point around the singularity at s=0, then back along the branch point and arc back towards the the vertical part, you should avoid crossing any branch points. can you take the contour integral over each part of the contour and then use the residue theorem to account for the singularity at s=1?

the other bit i am stuck on is the integral that runs either side of the branch point. i get:

- [itex]\int[/itex] e-xt* ((√x)i-1/ x(√x)+1) dx

and I am not sure if this is right or how to integrate from ∞ to 0

thanks for any help
 
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If you saw that other one I commented on, I may have created some confussion: the point s=1 is a pole only for the branch:

[tex]f(s)=\frac{1}{s}\left(\frac{\sqrt{s}-1}{-\sqrt{s}+1}\right)[/tex]

but that's not the branch you're integrating on (I think) so it's not a singular point for this problem. Here's what I think you should do: first get the answer in Mathematica:

Code:
In[32]:=
myinverse = InverseLaplaceTransform[
   (Sqrt[s] - 1)/(s*(Sqrt[s] + 1)), s, t]

Out[32]=
-1 + E^t - E^t*Erf[Sqrt[t]] + E^t*Erfc[Sqrt[t]]

notice how that answer has the erf function. That's a non-elementary integral so that means when you do the contour analysis, you'll encounter integrals you won't be able to express in simple form.

The next thing to do is to just guess at the answer and compute it numerically to see if it agrees with the actual answer. So just guess (for now), that the answer is just the two horizontal legs of that key-hole contour. Now, can you combine both legs and arrive at the expression:

[tex]\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r}\left(\frac{4i \sqrt{r}}{1+r}\right)dr[/tex]

Now, suppose that is the only contribution to the answer. Then the transform would actually be:

[tex]-\frac{1}{2\pi i}\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r}\left(\frac{4i \sqrt{r}}{1+r}\right)dr[/tex]

right?

Now, compute that numerically for say t=3. Does that agree with the actual inverse transform at t=3?

If it doesn't then maybe there are other parts of the contour contributing to the answer. Get it working first numerically, then work towards expressing the numerical solution analytically.
 
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thanks jackmell. that helps a heap.

i have done the analysis of all the other contours and unless i have made a mathematical mistake I am pretty confident they are all 0. but your suggestion is a great way to check it.

the only thing I am confused about is how you arrived at your expression for when you combine the two legs? the result i get for one of the horizontal legs of the key hole is in my previous post? have i got that wrong? or am i missing something on how to combine the two expressions.

thanks heaps for you help
 
shebbbbo said:
thanks jackmell. that helps a heap.

i have done the analysis of all the other contours and unless i have made a mathematical mistake I am pretty confident they are all 0. but your suggestion is a great way to check it.

How about the one around the origin? If we let [itex]s=\rho e^{it}[/itex], I get:

[tex]\lim_{\rho\to 0} \int_{\pi}^{-\pi} \frac{e^{t\rho e^{it}}}{\rho e^{it}}\frac{\sqrt{\rho e^{it}}-1}{\sqrt{\rho e^{it}}+1} \rho i e^{it}dt[/tex]

What's that one?

the only thing I am confused about is how you arrived at your expression for when you combine the two legs? the result i get for one of the horizontal legs of the key hole is in my previous post? have i got that wrong? or am i missing something on how to combine the two expressions.

thanks heaps for you help

Ok, on the contour above the negative real axis, we let [itex]s=re^{\pi i}[/itex]. Make that substituion, simplify, and I get:
[tex]\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r} \frac{i\sqrt{r}-1}{i\sqrt{r}+1}dr[/tex]

On the one below the negative axis, let [itex]s=re^{-\pi i}[/itex] and that one is:

[tex]\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r} \frac{i \sqrt{r}+1}{1-i\sqrt{r}}dr[/tex]

Also, it's a little ambigious to say "above the axis" and "below it". Actually, the two contours are exactly on the real axis but to meet unreasonable analytic requirements, we treat them just infinitely close to it.
 
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yeah i realized after i wrote it that it is a little ambiguous to say it like that. but i felt like you would know what i meant.

so i think when you combine those two integrals (by addition) i come out with something like this...

[itex]\int[/itex] e-rt*[itex]\frac{1}{r}[/itex]*(2 - [itex]\frac{4}{r+1}[/itex])dr

which is an integral that looks a lot like a laplace transform? i went through and got a final result of

-2 + 4etEi(-t) which looks waaaaaaay off from what mathematica gave you as a result? have i gone down the wrong track?

thanks again for all your help with this.
 
The two integrals along the branch-cut reduces to:

[tex]\int_{\infty}^{0} \frac{e^{-rt}}{r}\left(\frac{i\sqrt{r}-1}{\sqrt{r}+1}+\frac{i\sqrt{r}+1}{1-i\sqrt{r}}\right)dr=\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r}\left(\frac{4i \sqrt{r}}{1+r}\right)dr[/tex]

That limit around the origin as rho goes to zero is 2pi i. The integral over the large circular arcs should tend to zero and we're left with:

[tex]\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r}\left(\frac{4i \sqrt{r}}{1+r}\right)dr+2\pi i+\int_{\sigma-i\infty}^{\sigma+i\infty} \frac{e^{st}}{s}\frac{\sqrt{s}-1}{\sqrt{s}+1}ds=0[/tex]

So, we get that into the inverse transform and write:

[tex]\mathcal{L}^{-1}\left\{\frac{\sqrt{s}-1}{s(\sqrt{s}+1}\right\}=-\frac{1}{2\pi i}\left(\int_{\infty}^0 \frac{e^{-rt}}{r}\left(\frac{4i \sqrt{r}}{1+r}\right)dr+2\pi i\right)[/tex]


That agrees with Mathematica:

Code:
tval = 5; 

N[(-(1/(2*Pi*I)))*(Integrate[(Exp[(-r)*tval]/r)*((4*I*Sqrt[r])/(1 + r)), {r, Infinity, 0}] + 2*Pi*I)]

myinverse = InverseLaplaceTransform[(Sqrt[s] - 1)/(s*(Sqrt[s] + 1)), s, t]

N[myinverse /. t -> tval]

Out[36]=
-0.5353474112470704 + 0.*I

Out[37]=
-1 + E^t - E^t*Erf[Sqrt[t]] + E^t*Erfc[Sqrt[t]]

Out[38]=
-0.5353474112470735
 
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oh whoops, stupid error by me.

that gets me to the result though so that great! thanks heaps for all your help with this question.
 
Hi guys, when writing the Bromwich contour for this integral, as is done in "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromwich_integral", would the restriction on [itex]\gamma[/itex] be [itex]\gamma > 0[/itex] or [itex]\gamma > 1[/itex] ?
 
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smcro5 said:
Hi guys, when writing the Bromwich contour for this integral, as is done in "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromwich_integral", would the restriction on [itex]\gamma[/itex] be [itex]\gamma > 0[/itex] or [itex]\gamma > 1[/itex] ?

[itex]\gamma>0[/itex] for this problem but if you were integrating over the branch which had the pole at x=1, gamma would have to be larger than one.
 
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Thanks a lot jackmell :)
 

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