What is the Kinetic Energy of a Block on a Pulley System?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a pulley system with two blocks, focusing on the calculation of kinetic energy and the effects of friction. The original poster presents a scenario where a 6.00 kg block descends while an 8.00 kg block rests on a tabletop, with specific parameters given for friction and gravitational force.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the pulley system, questioning how to account for friction in the calculations. Some participants suggest using energy methods and inquire about the work done by friction.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations related to potential energy, work done by friction, and kinetic energy. Some participants provide feedback on the calculations presented, indicating areas of misunderstanding or error, particularly regarding the mass used in friction calculations and the interpretation of kinetic energy for both blocks.

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Consider the system shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the 8.00 kg block and the tabletop is ųk = 0.25. Neglect the mass of the rope and of the pulley, and assume that the pulley is frictionless. Use energy methods to calculate the speed of the 6.00 kg block after it has descended 2.00 m., starting from rest.

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i have no idea. help me.

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i have no idea. help me.
 
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someone help me please...
 
welcome to PF. Do you have any ideas? Hint: the kinetic energy of the two blocks comes from the potential energy of the falling block.
So, if there were no friction:
mgh=1/2(m+M)v^2 where m=6Kg, and M=8Kg but there is friction, do you know how to compute work done by friction?

Normally we ask for some thoughts or at least posting some eqns on a problem, before anyone will help.
 
this is what i did:
first i solved for the potential energy
PE = mgh = 6(9.8)(2) = 117.6 J

then i solved for the force done on the block
F = ų*mg = (0.25)(6)(9.8) = 14.715 N

then i solved for the work done on the block
W = (14.715)(2) = 29.43

then i solved for the kinetic energy
KE = PE - W = 117.6 - 29.43 = 88.17 J

and lastly i solved for the speed
V = (88.17/0.5(6))^-2 = 5.42 m/s

am i right?
 
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Your on the right track
[tex]$ U_p=2*6*9.8=117.6 J$[/tex]
But you've used the wrong mass in the friction force
[tex]$ F_f=0.25*8*9.8=19.6N\\<br /> W=2*F_f=39.2 J\\<br /> E_k=U_p-W=78.4J\\$[/tex]
Your final line also contains a mistake as you have assumed that the 6kg blosk is the only object with kinetic energy, whereas both object have the same velocity.
[tex]$ E_k=\frac{1}{2}(m+M)v^2=7v^2\\<br /> 7v^2=78.4 J\\<br /> v=\sqrt{\frac{78.4}{7}}=3.35ms^{-1}$[/tex]
 
thanks a lot!
 

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