What is the limit of this expression as n approaches infinity?

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The discussion centers on finding the limit of the expression $$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}|\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^{\!{n^2}}|^\frac{1}{n}$$ as n approaches infinity. Participants explore various methods of simplification and limit evaluation, including the use of logarithmic transformations and L'Hospital's Rule.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose simplifying the original expression to $$\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^{\!{n}}$$ as a first step.
  • Others suggest rewriting the expression in a form suitable for L'Hospital's Rule, indicating a need to achieve forms like $$\frac{0}{0}$$ or $$\frac{\infty}{\infty}$$.
  • A participant mentions using logarithmic laws to further simplify the expression, leading to the form $$\mathrm{e}^{ \ln{ \left[ \left( \frac{n}{n+1} \right) ^n \right] } }$$.
  • Another participant provides an alternative simplification to $$\lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{1}{\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{\!{n}}}$$ and references the standard limit $$\lim_{n\to \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{\!{n}} = e$$.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the simplification method over L'Hospital's Rule, concluding that the limit is $$1/e$$.
  • Another participant introduces a different approach by rewriting the expression as $$\left( 1 - \frac{1}{n+1} \right)^n$$ to deduce the limit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to evaluate the limit, with multiple approaches and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the application of L'Hospital's Rule and the implications of the forms $$\frac{0}{0}$$ and $$\frac{\infty}{\infty}$$. There is also a reliance on standard limits without detailed justification for their use.

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Hello.
How do I find the limit of this term?

$$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}|\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^{\!{n^2}}|^\frac{1}{n}$$
 
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aruwin said:
Hello.
How do I find the limit of this term?

$$\lim_{{n}\to{\infty}}|\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^{\!{n^2}}|^\frac{1}{n}$$

Well for starters, how can you simplify this expression?
 
Prove It said:
Well for starters, how can you simplify this expression?

This is how it is simplified (I skipped the lim symbol)$\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^{\!{n}}$
 
aruwin said:
This is how it is simplified (I skipped the lim symbol)$\left(\frac{n}{n+1}\right)^{\!{n}}$

Yes. So now I would think about if it's possible to get it in the form $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{0}{0} \end{align*}$ or $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\infty}{\infty} \end{align*}$ so that I can use L'Hospital's Rule.

To do this, write it as

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left( \frac{n}{n + 1} \right) ^n = \mathrm{e}^{ \ln{ \left[ \left( \frac{n}{n+1} \right) ^n \right] } } \end{align*}$

Now try to simplify it using logarithm laws.
 
Prove It said:
Yes. So now I would think about if it's possible to get it in the form $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{0}{0} \end{align*}$ or $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\infty}{\infty} \end{align*}$ so that I can use L'Hospital's Rule.

To do this, write it as

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left( \frac{n}{n + 1} \right) ^n = \mathrm{e}^{ \ln{ \left[ \left( \frac{n}{n+1} \right) ^n \right] } } \end{align*}$

Now try to simplify it using logarithm laws.

What would $\frac{0}{0}and \frac{\infty}{\infty}$ mean?
 
aruwin said:
What would $\frac{0}{0}and \frac{\infty}{\infty}$ mean?

They are meant to indicate that both numerator and denominator tend to $0$ respectively $\infty$. This is a precondition to apply l'hospital's rule.

Instead of applying l'hospital's rule, you can also simplify further to:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{1}{\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{\!{n}}}$$

Now you can make use of the standard limit:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{\!{n}} = e$$
 
I like Serena said:
They are meant to indicate the both numerator and denominator tend to $0$ respectively $\infty$. This is a precondition to apply l'hospital's rule.

Instead of applying l'hospital's rule, you can also simplify further to:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty} \frac{1}{\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{\!{n}}}$$

Now you can make use of the standard limit:
$$\lim_{n\to \infty} \left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^{\!{n}} = e$$

I haven't done l'hospital's rule in a while so I read about it on wiki.
But the simplification method is much easier. That means the limit is 1/e,
Thanks!
 
You can also write $$\left( \frac{n}{n+1} \right)^n = \left( \frac{n+1-1}{n+1} \right)^n = \left( 1 - \frac{1}{n+1} \right)^n$$ and deduce the limit from here. :)
 

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