What is the magnetic field of two parallel current loops?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic field produced by two parallel current loops, modeled as Helmholtz coils. The magnetic field along the axis is derived using the formula for a single coil, with adjustments for the positions of both coils. At the midpoint (x=0), the magnetic field is expressed in terms of the coils' parameters, and for large distances (x >> R), a Taylor expansion simplifies the expression. Participants also discuss the implications of the coils' separation distance, typically set to R for uniformity in the magnetic field. Additionally, they explore the force between the loops using the magnetic dipole moment and address the behavior of the magnetic field when the current in one loop is reversed.
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Homework Statement


Helmholtz coils can be modeled as a pair of current loops oriented so that they are parallel to each other with a common axis in the x direction. The two loops have the same current I, and the same radius R, and their centres are at x = -d and x = +d, so the distance between the two loops is 2d.
(a) Write down the magnetic field at position x along the axis of the coils. What is the magnetic field at the midpoint between the coils, i.e. at x = 0? What is the magnetic field at x >> R
Sketch the magnetic field lines for all r.

Homework Equations


B field from a single coil

The Attempt at a Solution


Put the x-axis horizontally with +ve x pointing rightwards. Then as you look in positive x, the loops have clockwise currents. The B field along the x-axis for a single coil is $$\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2(R^2+x_1^2)^{3/2}}\underline{e}_x,$$ where ##x_1## is the B field at a distance x1 from coil 1.

With the coils having the same orientation of current, both B fields will be in +ve x, so the total B field is given by: $$\frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2} \left(\frac{1}{(R^2+x_1^2)^{3/2}} + \frac{1}{(R^2 + x_2^2)^{3/2}}\right)$$ I can write ##x_1 = x - d## and ##x_2 = x + d##. Sub these in gives the first part. Sub x=0 for the second part: $$\vec{B}_{0} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{(R^2+d^2)^{3/2}}\underline{e}_x$$ For x >>R, taylor expand to give $$\vec{B}_{x>>R} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2} \left(\frac{1}{(x-d)^3} + \frac{1}{(x+d)^3}\right)$$

Is that ok? For the B field lines for all r, I have attached a sketch of what I have. I think the B field should be circular around the coil and obviously straight along the x axis. I am not too sure about the region between the two coils.
Many thanks.
 

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CAF123 said:

Homework Statement


Helmholtz coils can be modeled as a pair of current loops oriented so that they are parallel to each other with a common axis in the x direction. The two loops have the same current I, and the same radius R, and their centres are at x = -d and x = +d, so the distance between the two loops is 2d.
(a) Write down the magnetic field at position x along the axis of the coils. What is the magnetic field at the midpoint between the coils, i.e. at x = 0? What is the magnetic field at x >> R
Sketch the magnetic field lines for all r.


Homework Equations


B field from a single coil

The Attempt at a Solution


Put the x-axis horizontally with +ve x pointing rightwards. Then as you look in positive x, the loops have clockwise currents. The B field along the x-axis for a single coil is $$\vec{B} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2(R^2+x_1^2)^{3/2}}\underline{e}_x,$$ where ##x_1## is the B field at a distance x1 from coil 1.

With the coils having the same orientation of current, both B fields will be in +ve x, so the total B field is given by: $$\frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2} \left(\frac{1}{(R^2+x_1^2)^{3/2}} + \frac{1}{(R^2 + x_2^2)^{3/2}}\right)$$ I can write ##x_1 = x - d## and ##x_2 = x + d##. Sub these in gives the first part. Sub x=0 for the second part: $$\vec{B}_{0} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{(R^2+d^2)^{3/2}}\underline{e}_x$$ For x >>R, taylor expand to give $$\vec{B}_{x>>R} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2} \left(\frac{1}{(x-d)^3} + \frac{1}{(x+d)^3}\right)$$

Is that ok? For the B field lines for all r, I have attached a sketch of what I have. I think the B field should be circular around the coil and obviously straight along the x axis. I am not too sure about the region between the two coils.
Many thanks.

OK, altghough introducing x1 and x2 was of course unnecessary.

Good work on the Taylor series expansion!
 
Hi rude man, thank you for the check. Do you agree with my sketch though? I know the divergence of B is always zero, so the B field should create loops.
 
CAF123 said:
Hi rude man, thank you for the check. Do you agree with my sketch though? I know the divergence of B is always zero, so the B field should create loops.

Yeah, I do. Nice work.
 
CAF123 said:
For x >>R, taylor expand to give $$\vec{B}_{x>>R} = \frac{\mu_o I R^2}{2} \left(\frac{1}{(x-d)^3} + \frac{1}{(x+d)^3}\right)$$ Is that ok?

Helmholtz coils are usually arranged so that the separation distance between the two coils is R. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_coil

So, that would make d = R/2. Since you are assuming x >> R, that means x >> d. So, you can further simplify your approximation for this case.
 
Hi TSny,
The distance between the two coils is usually taken to be R because then the second derivative of B vanishes => curvature of B field is zero (so direction is unchanged). This coupled with the fact that the first derivative vanishes => the B field is constant. Is this why the distance between them is R?

The next part of the question asks to calculate the force between the loops. We are to use the fact that ##\vec{F} = \nabla (\underline{m} \cdot \underline{B})##

##\underline{m}## is the magnetic dipole moment of the loop so I can write ##\underline{m} = I \pi R^2 \underline{e}_x## Dot this with the B field compt gives $$\vec{F} = \nabla (\underline{m} \cdot \underline{B}) = \nabla \left(\frac{I^2 \pi R^4 \mu_o}{2(R^2 + (x+d)^2)^{3/2}}\right) = \frac{I^2 \pi R^4 \mu_o}{2} \nabla\left(\frac{1}{(R^2+(x+d)^2)^{3/2}}\right) = -\frac{3}{2}\frac{I^2\pi R^4\mu_o (x+d)}{(R^2 + (x+d)^2)^{5/2}}\underline{e}_x$$

The force between the two loops is then this expression evaluated at x=d. Is this correct? I ask because we are a bit behind in lectures and we haven't actually covered why the force is given by the gradient of the divergence of these two quantities, so maybe I misinterpreted this. It makes sense that the force is in -ve x however.
I can then sub d=R/2.
 
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Yes, the choice of d = R/2 makes the field very uniform near x = 0. The first nonzero derivative of the field with respect to x at x = 0 is the fourth derivative.

Your calculation of ##\vec{F} = \nabla (\underline{m} \cdot \underline{B})## looks correct to me. However, I don't think this formula for the force on a dipole would be very accurate for the Helmholtz coils because the formula assumes that the currents making up the dipole moment are confined to a small region of space.
 
If I now consider the case where the current in one of the coils is reversed, then for z >>R (or equivalently z>>d) B will tend to zero. Now if I draw the field lines for this case, it will vanish for z=0 by symmetry but it is non zero everywhere else I think. How would I sketch this? See sketch. The B field from 'above' is downwards and that 'below' is upwards so they cancel at z=0. But how do I represent this on a diagram? - just a gap?
 

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CAF123 said:
Now if I draw the field lines for this case, it will vanish for z=0 by symmetry but it is non zero everywhere else I think. How would I sketch this? See sketch. The B field from 'above' is downwards and that 'below' is upwards so they cancel at z=0. But how do I represent this on a diagram? - just a gap?

Yes. You won't be able to draw a field line along the z axis. Just forget that line. Same thing happens in other cases. For example, if you have two positive point charges where the electric field is zero at the midpoint between the charges.
 
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TSny said:
Yes. You won't be able to draw a field line along the z axis. Just forget that line. Same thing happens in other cases. For example, if you have two positive point charges where the electric field is zero at the midpoint between the charges.
The B field is not zero along the z axis though, right? (except at z=0). But because of this gap at z=0 it is convenient to just not draw the field line along z at all?
 
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Yes, the B field is zero only at z = 0. I don't see a consistent way to draw a field line running along the z-axis. The analogous case of the E field of two positive point charges is shown here. In figure (b) you can't draw a consistent field line along the line containing the charges.
 

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