What is the main challenge of high energy physics?

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The discussion revolves around the main challenges faced in high energy physics, particularly in relation to the Standard Model and the search for new physics. Participants explore various aspects of the field, including theoretical limitations, experimental capabilities, and unresolved questions in the domain.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the main challenge is to find phenomena that cannot be explained by the Standard Model.
  • Others argue that identifying suitable measurements in the lab is a significant challenge, with the LHC being the primary tool available for discovery.
  • There are mentions of discrepancies observed in high energy physics, particularly related to B-mesons and cosmological models, but these do not definitively indicate new physics.
  • Quantum Gravity is highlighted as a necessary theory that remains unexplained, with existing theories facing both theoretical and empirical challenges.
  • Open questions such as neutron lifetime, proton decay, neutrino masses, muon g-2, and proton radius are noted, with some participants expressing skepticism about the significance of these discrepancies.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of mathematical methods and symmetry principles in guiding the search for new models, while expressing doubt about finding new ideas without clear observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes the main challenge in high energy physics, with multiple competing views on the significance of the Standard Model, the role of experimental measurements, and the interpretation of observed discrepancies.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current theories and the need for testable predictions, as well as the potential for the Standard Model to remain valid up to the Planck scale. There is also recognition of the lack of clear indications of where the Standard Model fails.

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What is the main challenge of high energy physics?
Hi, my question is that what is the main challenge of high energy physics? what is the best theory that maybe explain it and why it would not be accepted?
 
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Main challenge - finding something which cannot be explained by standard model.
 
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mathman said:
Main challenge - finding something which cannot be explained by standard model.
Well, that one is easy. Finding a suitable measurement we can do in the lab, on the other hand...
 
mfb said:
Well, that one is easy. Finding a suitable measurement we can do in the lab, on the other hand...
The LHC seems to be the only device which has any hope of finding something. So far nothing beyond Higgs boson.
 
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It depends on what you might consider as a challenge.
The main thing is as mentioned to find things that cannot be explained by the Standard Model.
So far, only a few discrepancies have been observed that can be associated with HEP (mainly from B-mesons or the cosmological model), but on their own, they are not determining what might be the cause.
It could be new Physics and that would be nice. However, it could be the case that the SM works fine all the way up to the Planck scale (which is in principle possible).

I think Quantum Gravity is the only thing that we know it must exist but we don't have a theory to explain it. At least the theories that we do suffer from both theoretical (internal) and "scientific" problems. By scientific problems I mean that theories in that regime can't give testable predictions that we can look for in experiments or observations and falsify them. Only a small subset gives such predictions that (so far) have resulted to null outcomes. As a result, they are "not accepted", at least not as physical theories.
 
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mathman said:
The LHC seems to be the only device which has any hope of finding something. So far nothing beyond Higgs boson.
Neutron lifetime, proton decay, neutrino masses, muon g-2 and proton radius are open questions where the LHC does not contribute but other experiments are working on it. Most likely the discrepancies will be something mundane and the neutrino masses are the most boring case but we'll see.
 
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mfb said:
Neutron lifetime, proton decay, neutrino masses, muon g-2 and proton radius are open questions where the LHC does not contribute but other experiments are working on it. Most likely the discrepancies will be something mundane and the neutrino masses are the most boring case but we'll see.

I think the proton-radius puzzle is solved with all the recent high-precision measurements (among them of the group around Haensch). See, e.g.,

https://www.mpq.mpg.de/6365594/11-next-phase-of-the-proton-puzzle

In a way the main challenge is indeed the lack of clear indications, where the Standard Model really fails. One can only hope that the mentioned discrepancies solidify and one finds hints, how to find a more comprehensive model, maybe with new particles who can be taken as "dark matter candidates". Another challenge is also still the lack of a sufficiently large CP violation to explain the matter-antimatter asymmetry in our (observable) Universe.

I, however, disagree with the current criticism of the mathematical methods. There's no other way to express physics than with the sharp language of mathematics, and symmetry principles are still the guiding lines of thought to find new models in accordance with all observations. The success of the Standard Model doesn't disprove this method of heuristics but rather underlines its power. Of course, it's never wrong to look for new methodology, but I pretty much doubt that we'll find by chance the right new idea without a clear phenomenological and quantitative observation to extend the Standard Model to something more comprehensive.
 
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