What is the mass of a car given work and velocity?

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The problem involves determining the mass of a car based on the work done to accelerate it from one velocity to another. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to work, energy, and motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of time or displacement in solving the problem and explore the relationship between work, force, and mass. There are attempts to apply energy equations to find mass, with some questioning the correctness of the approach.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on relevant equations and questioning assumptions about the variables needed. There is a focus on understanding the relationships between the given parameters without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the only variables provided are the initial and final velocities, leading to discussions about the implications of using energy equations. There is an acknowledgment that the left-hand side of the energy equation may yield a negative result, which raises further questions.

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1. The problem statement,
all variables and given/known dataIt takes 190 kJ of work to accelerate a car from 20.8 m/s to 29.3 m/s. What is the car's mass?

Homework Equations


w=fd
f=ma
1/2mvf2-1/2mvo2=maΔx=FΔx

The Attempt at a Solution


not sure how to start this problem, because they don't give you time or displacement but you can probably work it out from the velocities I am assuming? just not 100% sure on how to
 
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Why do you think you need time or displacement?
 
Orodruin said:
Why do you think you need time or displacement?
Could you solve by going m=f/a ??
 
Erenjaeger said:
Could you solve by going m=f/a ??
No. Stop and think a bit about what your relevant equations are telling you about how the input parameters are related to what you want to know.
 
Orodruin said:
No. Stop and think a bit about what your relevant equations are telling you about how the input parameters are related to what you want to know.
in the third equation, using energy. Can somehow use that to solve for mass?
 
Erenjaeger said:
in the third equation, using energy. Can somehow use that to solve for mass?
You tell me. In order to solve for the mass, you need to know all other variables of the equation.
 
Orodruin said:
You tell me. In order to solve for the mass, you need to know all other variables of the equation.
the only other variables you need to know are the velocities right? which we are given
 
Erenjaeger said:
the only other variables you need to know are the velocities right? which we are given
So what is the solution?
 
Orodruin said:
So what is the solution?
1/2mv2-1/2mvo2=190000J
1/2m(20.8m/s)2-1/2m(29.3m/s)2 =190000J
1/2m432.64-1/2m858.49=190000J
m⋅216.64-m⋅429.245=190000J
is this correct so far?? not fully sure how to go any further if it is ?
 
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You are aware that multiplication is distributive, right?
x(y+z) = xy + xz
 
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Orodruin said:
You are aware that multiplication is distributive, right?
x(y+z) = xy + xz
yeah
 
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Erenjaeger said:
1/2m(20.8m/s)2-1/2m(29.3m/s)2 =190000J
The left hand side will clearly be negative, assuming mass is positive.
 

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