What is the maximum height reached by two masses after an elastic collision?

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum height reached by two masses after an elastic collision. A 6 kg mass slides down a frictionless quadrant of a vertical circle with a radius of 15 m and collides elastically with a stationary 16 kg mass. The participants derive the initial speed of the first mass before the collision using conservation of energy, resulting in a speed of 17.14 m/s. Post-collision speeds are calculated using conservation of momentum, yielding final speeds of 7.79 m/s for the 6 kg mass and 9.34 m/s for the 16 kg mass, leading to maximum heights of 3.096 m and 4.46 m, respectively.

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  • #31
Ah, ok.
I calculate the ratio of the heights, h2/h1 = (2m1/(m1-m2))2. That agrees with your final answer. It follows that for m1 to climb higher than m2 it needs to have at most 1/3 of the mass of m2.
Consider the case where the masses are the same. m1 would stop dead and m2 would climb to height h.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
Ah, ok.
I calculate the ratio of the heights, h2/h1 = (2m1/(m1-m2))2. That agrees with your final answer. It follows that for m1 to climb higher than m2 it needs to have at most 1/3 of the mass of m2.
Consider the case where the masses are the same. m1 would stop dead and m2 would climb to height h.

but...
i don't get it .. if u divide 16 kg by 3 .. you get 5.333 kg
and mine is 6 kg ?
 
  • #33
Lolagoeslala said:
but...
i don't get it .. if u divide 16 kg by 3 .. you get 5.333 kg
and mine is 6 kg ?
Quite so. 6k is greater than one third of 16k, so the 16k ball will climb higher. For the light ball to climb higher it must be less than one third the mass of the other.
 
  • #34
haruspex said:
Quite so. 6k is greater than one third of 16k, so the 16k ball will climb higher. For the light ball to climb higher it must be less than one third the mass of the other.

Seriously? :O But i have always been though that the smaller mass will go higher... why would the bigger mass travel further?
 
  • #35
Lolagoeslala said:
Seriously? :O But i have always been though that the smaller mass will go higher... why would the bigger mass travel further?
The scenario is not symmetric. As I suggested, consider two equal masses. The first (initiating) mass will stop dead and transfer all its KE to the other. Now make the first mass a bit smaller. It will bounce back some, but still most of the energy will be transferred. It won't achieve its 'fair' share of energy (i.e. in proportion to mass) until it's down to one third the mass of the other. And to get equal energy it would have to be smaller still.
 

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