What Is the Maximum Mass Produced in a 5000 GeV Muon Collision?

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The discussion revolves around a particle collision scenario involving 5000 GeV muons, focusing on the conservation of 4-momentum and the implications for mass production in high-energy physics. Participants are tasked with analyzing the initial and final state momentum vectors and considering how mass is defined in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of momentum vectors and the implications of mass units in eV. There is an exploration of the conservation of momentum and how it applies to the collision scenario. Questions arise regarding the nature of the mass of the produced particles and the assumptions about velocities and rest mass.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. Some suggest rewriting momentum vectors for clarity, while others express confusion about the definitions and calculations involved. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, but various interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note the absence of certain information, such as the final states or specific velocities, which contributes to the uncertainty in their calculations. There is also mention of the implications of different collision scenarios on the maximum mass produced.

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A particle accelerator collides 5000 GeV muon+ with 5000 GeV muon- particles, producing two massive particles in the final state, one with a mass of 800 GeV and another particle with unknown mass m.

a) write down the initial and final state momentum vectors

b) by using the conservation of 4-momentum, compute the maximum value m could be

c) without calculation explain why this maximum mass is reduced if a 10,000 GeV muon- is collided with a stationary muon+

I tried to attempt the question but i was put off by the way they have written mass, usually i see it as ...GeV/c^2 but there was no c^2, and secondly I am not told about the final states or the velocities so basically I am completely lost,

Any help at all please!
Thanks
 
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Also, when the mass is given in units of eV, it is implied you divide the c^2 out.

First write out the 4-momentum final vector so we can see if you are doing it right. You can solve for the unknowns later.

EDIT: I am confused about the mass of your first product. I am assuming it is rest mass?
 
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nickjer said:
Also, when the mass is given in units of eV, it is implied you divide the c^2 out.

First write out the 4-momentum final vector so we can see if you are doing it right. You can solve for the unknowns later.

EDIT: I am confused about the mass of your first product. I am assuming it is rest mass?

this is what i would write as the 4 vectors, in the lab frame they would be,
P(1)=(5000GeV/c,5000GeV/c^2.v,0,0) =>first muon+
P(2)=(5000GeV/c,-5000GeV/c^2.v,0,0)=> 2nd muon-

i assumed the initial speeds were the same as they had identical energies
therefore P1+P2= (10000GeV/c,0,0,0)

and as for the product i haven't been told whether it is rest mass or not, this is the full question

it doesn't feel right though, but to be honest anything i do doesn't feel right and I've got my exam in two days
 
Your momentum values are wrong. But since you know the muons are heading towards each other, then you have

\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2 = 0

So you get the same total initial 4 momentum as you wrote.
 
nickjer said:
Your momentum values are wrong. But since you know the muons are heading towards each other, then you have

\vec{p}_1+\vec{p}_2 = 0

So you get the same total initial 4 momentum as you wrote.

could you please tell me what I am doing wrong, its really getting to me, i thought the momentum was (gamma).m.v, gamma.m=5000Gev and v is just the velocity, what am i doing wrong?
 
Alright, you can do it that way. It just looks odd with a 'v' term multiplied to a known value. Since you don't know what 'v' is. You could have just called the momentum 'p' since you don't know what that is either, and it is more simplified:

p_1 = (5000 GeV/c, p, 0, 0)
p_2 = (5000 GeV/c, -p, 0, 0)

It looks cleaner this way.
 
For the final total 4 momentum, I suggest using E1, E2, p1, p2 to start off before you start plugging in equations.

An equation that can be helpful is:

E^2 = p^2 c^2 + m^2 c^4
 

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