What Is the Maximum Stretch of a Spring When a Ball Is Dropped on It?

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The problem involves a spring system where a clay ball is dropped onto a pan suspended from a spring. The context includes determining the maximum stretch of the spring after the ball impacts the pan, with specific measurements provided for the initial positions of the pan and the ball.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the spring constant and the energy considerations involved in the problem. There is an exploration of the relationship between gravitational potential energy and spring potential energy, along with questions about the initial stretch of the spring and how it factors into the final calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made regarding the initial stretch of the spring and the energy equations used. Some guidance is provided in terms of adjusting the equations to account for the initial conditions, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

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There is a noted discrepancy between the original poster's calculated result and the answer provided in their textbook, prompting further discussion about the assumptions and calculations involved. The problem also involves considerations of energy conservation and the effects of the clay ball's weight on the spring's stretch.

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Homework Statement


A massless pan hangs from a spring that is suspended from the ceiling.
when empty the pan is 50cm below the ceiling. If a 100g clay ball is placed gently
on the pan, the pan hangs 60cm below the ceiling. Suppose the clay ball
is dropped from the ceiling onto an empty pan. What is the pans distance
from the ceiling when the spring reaches its maximum point.

The Attempt at a Solution


So first I find the spring constant
mg=kx
k=9.8 N/m
Now we find how much the spring stretches when the clay ball drops on it.
mgh=\frac{kx^2}{2}
h=.5m
when I solve for x i get x=.31m
so we add this to .5m and we get 81cm
the answer in my book is 93cm which is basically off by 10cm from my answer
Do I need to add 10cm to mine to account for the weight of the clay ball.
but it seems that is taken into account with the potential energy.
 
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The ball falls x more than 50 cm.

ehild
 
ok thanks for your post so
it needs to be mg(h+x)=\frac{kx^2}{2}
 
port31 said:
ok thanks for your post so
it needs to be mg(h+x)=\frac{kx^2}{2}

Right. :smile:

ehild
 
its already has an extension of 50 cm so it wud be mg(h +x)= kx^2/2
 
Can i reason it this way as calculated by OP?

If i assume it to be on frictionless surface and given a kinetic energy of mgh.
The spring will extend to an equation of mgh=1/2(kx2)
The weight will produce additional 10cm(given)
Thus total height is 31+10+50.

Any flaws in my thinking.
Thank you.
 

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