What is the Maximum Torque on a Coil in a Magnetic Field?

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The problem involves calculating the maximum torque on a coil with a specified diameter and number of turns when subjected to a magnetic field while carrying a current. The subject area pertains to electromagnetism and magnetic forces on current-carrying coils.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the coil's diameter and radius, the calculation of the magnetic moment, and the appropriate formulas for torque and magnetic force. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the number of turns and the area of the coil.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculating torque, with some participants acknowledging previous errors and refining their understanding of the relevant formulas. Guidance has been provided regarding the magnetic moment and the correct interpretation of the coil's dimensions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the area calculation and the implications of the coil's dimensions, indicating a need for clarity on these points. There is also a recognition of the importance of using the information provided in the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement



a coil 2 cm in diameter has 300 turns. what is the maximum torque on this coil when it carries a current of 10mA and is placed ina constant magnetic field of 0.05 Teslas?

Homework Equations



magnetic force on a current F = IL X B where X indicates cross product, I is current, L is length of coil, B is magnetic field

torque tau = rFsin(theta) where r is radius, F is magnetic force on current

The Attempt at a Solution



basically subbed in IL X B for F in rFsin(theta)
and since r is radius, it is two times the diameter, 2*0.02 meters

so torque tau = (2*0.02)[(10*10^-3)(300)(0.05)sin(90)]sin(90) = 0.06 N/m

and since we won't max torque, force must be applied perpendicular, thus theta = 90 degrees.

i am unsure of the length L though, the problem states diameter is 2cm and contains 300 turns, how much is 300 turns in meters?

is my approach correct, though?

cheers
 
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There's really quite a lot of errors in there. To start with radius isn't 2*diameter. You're also using inappropriate formulas all over the place. What you want to find the force is the magnetic moment of the coil cross the applied field. What's a formula for the magnetic moment of a coil? You certainly can't convert 300 turns to meters, come on. You can use it to find the total current circulating. Start all over again with a clear head, ok?
 
i agree, it did seem a little too straightforward with my initial approach

magnetic dipole moment, mu = NIA where N is number of turns in coil, I is current, A is area( is it area of wire it self(a circle; A = pi(r^2) ?) --> I = 10*10^-3 ampere, N = 300, A = pi(r^2) = pi((2*0.02)^2) = 0.005 m^2

and torque, tau = mu X B where B is magnetic field = 0.05Teslas

once i determine area A, and then mu, will i then find torque?

so tau = mu X B = mu(B)sin(theta) = NIABsin(theta) = ((300)(10*10^-3)(0.005)(0.05))sin(theta) where theta = 90 degrees
---> ((300)(10*10^-3)(0.005)(0.05))sin(90) = 7.5*10^-4 N/m

correct now? not too sure about area, A though.
 
You are making progress. Sure, area=pi*r^2. But you still have that weird radius=2*diameter thing going on. Can you do something about that? It's not right, is it? Yes, I think the question means you to take the coil to be a circle. Otherwise, they wouldn't give a 'diameter' right?
 
oh oh oh, i was getting confused with diameter and radius, diameter = 2 * radius, not the other other way round, so radius r = diameter/2 = 0.02/2 = 0.01 m

in that case

tau = mu X B = mu(B)sin(theta) = NIABsin(theta) = ((300)(10*10^-3)(3.14*10^-4)(0.05))sin(90) = 4.71*10^-5 Newton meters
 
If you have all of the right numbers in the right place then it should be good. Your formula is correct. Do I have to check your math, or do you trust yourself? Say, 'yes, I trust myself'.
 
yes, I trust myself, was mainly curious about the equation, but thanks for your help again, i need to learn to use the information given, properly
 

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