What is the Meaning of Expectation and Deviation of an Operator?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of expectation and deviation of operators in quantum mechanics, focusing on their meanings, calculations, and implications in the context of observables and measurements.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of expectation and deviation of an operator, suggesting that every observable corresponds to an operator and that expectation is used to calculate deviation.
  • Another participant explains that the expectation value represents the average result of measurements for an observable corresponding to the operator, emphasizing its role in experiments with identically prepared systems.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the term "expected value" might be misleading, as there are cases where the expectation value can fall at a point with zero probability density, illustrated by the example of an electron with nonzero angular momentum.
  • One participant clarifies that the standard deviation measures the spread of a distribution and distinguishes it from the most frequent value (mode).
  • Another participant elaborates on the mathematical formulation of expectation, explaining how it involves the sum of possible outcomes weighted by their probabilities, and describes the calculation of standard deviation in terms of expectation values.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of expectation values and the implications of their calculations, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

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Some participants highlight potential misunderstandings regarding terminology, such as the use of "average expected value" and its redundancy, while others point out the specific meanings of terms in quantum mechanics that may not align with intuitive interpretations.

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What does the expectation and deviation of an operator mean??

The way I understood it was every observable has a operator to it and the expectation of the observable uses the operator to calculate the deviation ...

for ex :: <p>=integral( (si)* momentum operator (si) ) dx ... so what does the standard deviation and expectation of an operator mean and is my understanding right??
 
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The expectation value of an operator is the "expected value" for an experiment determining the observable which corresponds to that operator's value.

In other words. Given a large number of identically prepared systems, if I make a measurement of the observable corresponding to the specific operator, and I average the results I get, I should get the expectation value of the operator.

Same thing for the deviation.
 
Matterwave said:
The expectation value of an operator is the "expected value" for an experiment determining the observable which corresponds to that operator's value.

...although it's probably better to call it the "average expected value", since it's fairly trivial to find combinations of operators and wavefunctions where the expectation value falls right where there's 0% probability density of actually getting a result.

For instance, an electron with nonzero angular momentum will never be found where it's "expected" at the center of an atom.
 
I put quotes around "expected value" because it has a specific meaning which I described later in my post.
 
"Average expected value" is redundant. That's exactly what expectation value means. Don't confuse it with something like the most frequent value, which would be like the mode.

The standard deviation is a measure of the spread of a distribution.
 
The expectation is the sum of (possible outcome * probability of that outcome). The integral is essentially this sum, because the eigenfunctions of the operator are the possibilities, and the squares of the coefficients of the wavefunction, when expressed as a linear combination of the eigenfunctions of the operator, are the respective probabilities.

So when you work out <psi|X|psi>, if psi = c1x1 + c2x2 + ... (x1,x2 are eigenfunctions of X), you end up with |c1|^2.x1 + |c2|^2.x2 + ... because all the cross terms (ie. <c1x1|c2x2>) equal zero. It's a mathematical trick.

The standard deviation is the square root of the expectation of the squared deviation from the expected value, ie.
sqrt(<psi|(X - <psi|X|psi>)^2|psi>).
 

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