What is the meaning of the imaginary part of the plane wave function

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the imaginary part of the plane wave function, particularly in the context of its practical meaning and implications for amplitude and phase representation in wave phenomena. The scope includes theoretical aspects of wave functions and their mathematical representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the imaginary part of the plane wave function represents an amplitude component that is phase-shifted by 90 degrees, necessary for accurately representing the original signal's phase and amplitude.
  • Others argue that the real part alone, which includes a phase term, can still convey amplitude and phase information, particularly in the case of monochromatic waves.
  • A later reply suggests that while this may hold true for monochromatic waves, it does not apply universally to more complex waveforms.
  • Participants discuss the nature of monochromatic waves versus more complex waveforms, noting that most experimental waves consist of multiple frequencies and require both real and imaginary components for accurate representation.
  • Some contributions mention the relevance of Fourier Analysis and wave superposition in understanding the decomposition of waveforms into their frequency components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and role of the imaginary part in wave functions. While some acknowledge its importance for complex waveforms, others maintain that the real part can suffice in certain cases, leading to an unresolved discussion on the general applicability of these claims.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the role of the imaginary part, particularly regarding assumptions about wave complexity and the definitions of amplitude and phase in different contexts.

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The plane wave function sometimes could be represented as:

<br /> U(\mathbf{r} ,t ) = A_{0} e^{i(\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} - \omega t + \phi)}<br />

and we could separate the expression above into:

<br /> U(\mathbf{r} ,t = \cos(\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} - \omega t + \phi) + i \sin(\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} - \omega t + \phi)<br />

Then what is the practical meaning of the imaginary part, ##i \sin(\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} - \omega t + \phi)##?
 
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Hi Chuck88,

The imaginary part is how much amplitude (of a copy of each frequency component that is shifted 90 degrees in phase) that must be added to the real part to end up with the correct phase and amplitude of the original signal U(\mathbf{r} ,t ). (Normally, a wave would be decomposed to a weighted amount of the real and imaginary components, such as when you assign the initial conditions to a solution of the wave equation)

If only the real part existed, the signal would have a fixed phase alignment. Adding the imaginary part effectively corrects the phase to match the actual experimental signal or wavefront.
 
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PhilDSP said:
Hi Chuck88,

The imaginary part is how much amplitude (of a copy of each frequency component that is shifted 90 degrees in phase) that must be added to the real part to end up with the correct phase and amplitude of the original signal U(\mathbf{r} ,t ). (Normally, a wave would be decomposed to a weighted amount of the real and imaginary components, such as when you assign the initial conditions to a solution of the wave equation)

If only the real part existed, the signal would have a fixed phase alignment. Adding the imaginary part effectively corrects the phase to match the actual experimental signal or wavefront.

Thanks for your reply. But ##\phi## in the real part ##\cos(\mathbf{k} \cdot \mathbf{r} - \omega t + \phi)## could represent the phase of the wave. And ##A_{0}## could represent the amplitude of the wave. It seems like that if we neglect the imaginary part of the wave, the amplitude and phase can still be presented only with the parts in the real part.
 
Most likely ##\phi## is going to be used to align the phase globally. Likewise with ##A_0## for the amplitude. To model a realistic wave, each frequency component ##\omega_n## will have a unique phase offset that is accommodated by the combined amplitudes of the real and imaginary components for that frequency.

The wave function with only a single valued ##\omega## is a monochromatic wave. Most waves encountered experimentally are more complex.
 
It seems like that if we neglect the imaginary part of the wave, the amplitude and phase can still be presented only with the parts in the real part.
 
baiber said:
It seems like that if we neglect the imaginary part of the wave, the amplitude and phase can still be presented only with the parts in the real part.

That's true in the simple case of a monochromatic wave, but not in general.
 
PhilDSP said:
That's true in the simple case of a monochromatic wave, but not in general.

Can you explain that in detail?
 
A wave that is monochromatic consists of only a single sinusoid. Lasers tend toward producing monochromatic waves but almost all other light sources produce a broadband of frequencies (white light for example). The waveform or wave packet can be decomposed to containing a collection of frequencies. Sound waves are similar though the term monochromatic isn't really used to describe them.

Look up Fourier Analysis and wave superposition for more details.
 

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