What is the meaning of work done for non-uniform circular motion?

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The discussion centers on the concept of work done in non-uniform circular motion and its relationship to kinetic and potential energy. The original poster presents a solution using the work-energy theorem but expresses confusion about the role of non-conservative forces. Key points include the distinction between positive and negative work, with positive work indicating an increase in kinetic energy. Participants clarify that both work and changes in potential energy contribute to kinetic energy changes, emphasizing the importance of understanding the work-energy theorem. The conversation concludes with a correction regarding the calculation of work done along a circular path.
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Homework Statement
In her hand a softball pitcher swings a ball of mass 0.250 kg around a vertical circular path of radius 60.0 cm before releasing it from her hand. The pitcher maintains a component of force on the ball of constant magnitude 30.0 N in the direction of motion around the complete path. The speed of the ball at the top of the circle is 15.0 m/s. If she releases the ball at the bottom of the circle, what is its speed upon release?
Relevant Equations
$$ \sum {W_{other forces}} = W = \Delta K + \Delta U + \Delta E_{int} $$
$$ E_{mech} = \Delta K + \Delta U $$
This is my solution ,and I just use the definition .But I still feel unclear about the concept of non-conservative force.$$ W = F x = 30N (\frac{1}{2}\pi r ) = 56.2 J $$
$$ E_{system} = \Delta K + \Delta U = W $$
$$ (K_{f}- K(i))+(U(f)-U(i)) = W $$
$$ (\frac{1}{2} *m{V_{f}}^2 -\frac{1}{2}*m{V_{i}}^2)+(mgh_{f}-mgh{i}) = W) $$
$$ V_{f} = \sqrt{V_{i}^2 + 2gh_{i} + \frac{2W}{m}} $$

I want to ask
1. Whether my solution is wrong.
2. What does the meaning of works done on a non-uniform circular motion?
 
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I'm not sure I understand your solution. In this case, the work done means the increase in kinetic energy caused by the force applied in the direction of motion.
 
Can you explain that what 's the different between $$ E_{system} = \Delta K + \Delta U = W_{circular} $$ and $$ E_{system} = \Delta K + \Delta U = -W_{circular} $$ .And thank you for your reply .
 
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hhjjy said:
Can you explain that what 's the different between $$ E_{system} = \Delta K + \Delta U = W_{circular} $$ and $$ E_{system} = \Delta K + \Delta U = -W_{circular} $$ .And thank you for your reply .
Work is the scalar product of force and direction of motion. If they are in the same direction, then work is positive, otherwise it's negative.

Also, if work is positive then KE is increasing, so the correct relationship must be $$\Delta KE = W - \Delta U$$ That's the way I remember it.
 
PeroK said:
Work is the scalar product of force and direction of motion. If they are in the same direction, then work is positive, otherwise it's negative.

Also, if work is positive then KE is increasing, so the correct relationship must be $$\Delta KE = W - \Delta U$$ That's the way I remember it.
So If we take another examples ,such as uniform circular motion or a pen fell from sky, $$ \Delta KE = 0 - \Delta U $$ ,which means there is no force working on it ,so we call it conservative of energy .

Non-uniform circular motion is $$ \Delta KE = W - \Delta U $$, which means there is other force work on it,so we call it non-conservative of energy .
 
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  1. Please post workings in ## \LaTeX ## not in an image.
  2. You haven't posted a solution (the question asks for a speed).
  3. The first statement in your workings ## W = \displaystyle {\int} F x ## is not correct. You can write ## W = F x ##, ## W = \displaystyle \int F \ dx ##, or even ## W = \displaystyle \int F ##, but ## \displaystyle \int F x \ dx = \frac {F x^2} 2 ## which is not correct.
  4. The question states "the speed of the ball at the top of the circle is..." and asks for the speed at the bottom of the circle. Over what distance does the force of 30.0N act?
  5. Is the force from the pitcher's arm the only force acting on the ball?
 
pbuk said:
  1. Please post workings in ## \LaTeX ## not in an image.
  2. You haven't posted a solution (the question asks for a speed).
  3. The first statement in your workings ## W = \displaystyle {\int} F x ## is not correct. You can write ## W = F x ##, ## W = \displaystyle \int F \ dx ##, or even ## W = \displaystyle \int F ##, but ## \displaystyle \int F x \ dx = \frac {F x^2} 2 ## which is not correct.
  4. The question states "the speed of the ball at the top of the circle is..." and asks for the speed at the bottom of the circle. Over what distance does the force of 30.0N act?
  5. Is the force from the pitcher's arm the only force acting on the ball?
Thank you . I have corrected it .
4. It works along half of the circle .
5. I am not sure , but I think the pitcher's arm is the only force on the ball. I am confuse that whether gravity has worked on the motion.
 
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hhjjy said:
Thank you . I have corrected it .
4. It works along half of the circle .
5. I am not sure , but I think the pitcher's arm is the only force on the ball. I am confuse that whether gravity has worked on the motion.
There is potential energy on the equation I posted above. If the applied force were zero, then the ball would still gain energy as it descends, right?
 
Yes , I can accept this concept .Potential energy is transferred to Kinetic energy.

Because of this equation ## \Delta Kinetic = Work +(-\Delta U) ## , we can know that both work and potential energy are increasing the kinetic energy . Right ?
PeroK said:
There is potential energy on the equation I posted above. If the applied force were zero, then the ball would still gain energy as it descends, right?
 
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hhjjy said:
Because of this equation ## \Delta Kinetic = Work +(-\Delta U) ## , we can know that both work and potential energy are increasing the kinetic energy. Right ?
Yes, both work by non-conservative forces and changes in potential energy can cause the kinetic energy of a body to change.

Remember that ##\Delta U_{\text{cons. force}} = -W_{\text{cons. force}}##, so your equation is equivalent to ##\Delta K = W_{\text{non-cons. forces}} + W_{\text{cons. forces}}##, which you should recognize as the work-energy theorem.

If you don't remember that, go back to your book and review how you transitioned from the work-energy theorem, where no distinction was made between conservative and non-conservative forces, to the concepts of potential energy and total mechanical energy.
 
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hhjjy said:
4. It works along half of the circle .
So do you think ## \frac \pi 2 ## in your solution is correct?
 
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I got it . It's ## W = F x =(30)( \frac{1}{2} 2 \pi r) ##. I forgot there is a 2 . Thank you .
 
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