Two different answers for work done during compression

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to work done during the compression of a gas, specifically focusing on the application of the first law of thermodynamics and the characteristics of ideal gases. The participants are exploring the implications of different coefficients derived from the equations for work and internal energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the differences in coefficients obtained from two approaches to calculating work done, questioning the assumptions regarding the type of gas involved and its properties.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the coefficients derived from different methods. Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the gas and its specific heat capacities, while others are seeking clarification on whether the gas is monatomic.

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Participants note the relevance of the adiabatic condition and the specific heat ratio, ##\gamma##, in their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to verify the type of gas to ensure the correct application of the equations.

etotheipi
Homework Statement
Calculating work done during adiabatic compression (please see problem statement below)
Relevant Equations
Ideal gas laws, internal energy
I'm having a little trouble with part a) of this question:

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Since it is stated that the heating is slow, I thought it was reasonable to assume the process is reversible which means that the pressure in both sides should be equal. Consequently, $$W = - \int_{V_{0}}^{V_{1}} P dV = - \int_{V_{0}}^{V_{1}} kV^{- \gamma} dV = \frac{1}{\gamma-1}(P_{1}V_{1} - P_{0}V_{0})$$ For ##\gamma = 1.5##, the outside coefficient is ##2##.

However, if I use the first law (with ##Q=0## due to the insulated/adiabatic condition), I get $$W = \Delta U = \frac{3}{2}(nRT_{1} - nRT_{0}) = \frac{3}{2}(P_{1}V_{1} - P_{0}V_{0})$$I can't figure out why the two coefficients of ##(P_{1}V_{1} - P_{0}V_{0})## are different!

After this is sorted out, I assume it will just be a case of doing some rearrangement (i.e. w/ ##\frac{P_{0}V_{0}}{T_{0}} = \frac{P_{1}V_{1}}{T_{1}}## etc.) to get it into the required form?
 
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etotheipi said:
However, if I use the first law (with ##Q=0## due to the insulated/adiabatic condition), I get $$W = \Delta U = \frac{3}{2}(nRT_{1} - nRT_{0}) = \frac{3}{2}(P_{1}V_{1} - P_{0}V_{0})$$I can't figure out why the two coefficients of ##(P_{1}V_{1} - P_{0}V_{0})## are different!
The coefficient ##\frac{3}{2}## in ##\Delta U## is only for a monatomic ideal gas. Is the gas monatomic in this problem?
 
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TSny said:
The coefficient ##\frac{3}{2}## in ##\Delta U## is only for a monatomic ideal gas. Is the gas monatomic in this problem?

Thank you, I just googled ##\gamma## for an ideal monatomic gas (it turns out to be roughly 1.66), which gives ##\frac{1}{\gamma-1} \approx 1.5##, as was obtained via the other method!
 
etotheipi said:
Thank you, I just googled ##\gamma## for an ideal monatomic gas (it turns out to be roughly 1.66), which gives ##\frac{1}{\gamma-1} \approx 1.5##, as was obtained via the other method!
Is everything OK now?

For a general ideal gas, ##U = nC_VT## and ##C_V = \frac{R}{\gamma - 1}##.
 
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