What is the method behind comparing net annual costs of investments A and B?

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The discussion revolves around comparing the net annual costs of two investment options, A and B, both evaluated at a 12% annual interest rate. The original poster presents specific financial details for each investment, including initial costs, salvage values, lifespans, and annual expenses, and seeks clarification on the methodology behind their calculations.

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  • Participants explore the meaning of terms like "A/P" and "A/F" used in the calculations, questioning how these factors contribute to the comparison of costs. Some suggest alternative methods for calculating annual costs based on total investment and recovery values, while others delve into the implications of converting present and future values into annual equivalents.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering various interpretations and methods for evaluating the investments. Some have provided insights into the conversion factors used, while others are still seeking clarity on the original poster's approach. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but several productive lines of reasoning have emerged.

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Participants note the absence of an assumed interest rate in some calculations and question the definitions and implications of the financial terms used. The original poster's inquiry reflects a broader uncertainty about the methodology for comparing net annual costs in investment scenarios.

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I've been searching everywhere for an answer to this question but haven't been able to get one.

Let's say we're coming two things at 12% compounded annually.

A's investment, salvage, life, and expense/year are given as:

$50,000 ; $10,000 ; 11 ; $5000

While B's are:

$40,000 ; $0 ; 10 ; $2000

If I do 50000(A/P, 0.12, 11) - 10000(A/F, 0.12, 11) + 5000 for A and 40000(A/P, 0.12, 10) + 2000 for B, can someone explain why this comparison "works?" For this problem in particular, we end up with the values $12000.94/year for A and $9000.08/year for B, so obviously B is better, but exactly what method is being used? I've tried researching "net annual cost" for a similar method, but haven't been able to find anything useful.

Any help?
 
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Not if you don't tell us what "50000(A/P, 0.12, 11)" means! I'm not even sure what "A/P" , means. It clearly does not have to do with "investment A" because you use it in the calculation for B also.

What I would do is this- A has a total cost of $50000, but we can recover $10000 so it really costs $40000, and lasts 11 years so we can prorate it at 40000/11= $3636.36 per year. It also has a "cost per year" of 5000 so it costs us $8636.36 per year.

B has a total cost of $40000 and we can recover nothing and lasts 10 years so we can prorate it at 40000/10= $4000 per year. It also has a "cost per year" of $2000 per year so it costs $6000 per year. It may be that you are doing a projected cost of not banking the money but that would require an assumed interest rate which is not given.
 


HallsofIvy said:
Not if you don't tell us what "50000(A/P, 0.12, 11)" means! I'm not even sure what "A/P" , means. It clearly does not have to do with "investment A" because you use it in the calculation for B also.

What I would do is this- A has a total cost of $50000, but we can recover $10000 so it really costs $40000, and lasts 11 years so we can prorate it at 40000/11= $3636.36 per year. It also has a "cost per year" of 5000 so it costs us $8636.36 per year.

B has a total cost of $40000 and we can recover nothing and lasts 10 years so we can prorate it at 40000/10= $4000 per year. It also has a "cost per year" of $2000 per year so it costs $6000 per year. It may be that you are doing a projected cost of not banking the money but that would require an assumed interest rate which is not given.

He is using conversion factors that convert certain types of money to other types. The A/P converts a present value of money (i.e. $200 dollars today) to an equivalent annual rate at 12% per unit time over 11 units of time. The A/F does the same thing, except it does the conversion, using a future sum of money (you salvage the product at $10,000 in the future. Since there is an interest rate of 12%, you are effectively losing money by salvaging it then as opposed to now).
 


IntegrateMe said:
I've been searching everywhere for an answer to this question but haven't been able to get one.

Let's say we're coming two things at 12% compounded annually.

A's investment, salvage, life, and expense/year are given as:

$50,000 ; $10,000 ; 11 ; $5000

While B's are:

$40,000 ; $0 ; 10 ; $2000

If I do 50000(A/P, 0.12, 11) - 10000(A/F, 0.12, 11) + 5000 for A and 40000(A/P, 0.12, 10) + 2000 for B, can someone explain why this comparison "works?" For this problem in particular, we end up with the values $12000.94/year for A and $9000.08/year for B, so obviously B is better, but exactly what method is being used? I've tried researching "net annual cost" for a similar method, but haven't been able to find anything useful.

Any help?

Why do you add and subtract the way you do? Measuring in $000s, the cash outflow stream for A is (50,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10-5) [we invest 50, then also spend 10 per year for 11 years, but get back 5 at the end of year 11]. The cash outflow stream for B is (40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0-2). You can compute the net present value (NPV) of each stream and compare them (assuming that in A the first payment, 50, occurs at time t = 0, the next payment, 10, at t = 1 year, etc.) I get NPVs of
\text{NPV}(A) = 50 + \sum_{n=1}^{11} \frac{10}{1.12^n} - \frac{5}{1.12^{11}} = 107.940\; (\$000),
and
\text{NPV}(B) = 40 - \frac{2}{1.12^{10}} = 39.356 \; (\$000).

You could, of course, convert these to equivalent annual amounts, but why bother?

RGV
 


IntegrateMe said:
I've been searching everywhere for an answer to this question but haven't been able to get one.

Let's say we're coming two things at 12% compounded annually.

A's investment, salvage, life, and expense/year are given as:

$50,000 ; $10,000 ; 11 ; $5000

While B's are:

$40,000 ; $0 ; 10 ; $2000

If I do 50000(A/P, 0.12, 11) - 10000(A/F, 0.12, 11) + 5000 for A and 40000(A/P, 0.12, 10) + 2000 for B, can someone explain why this comparison "works?" For this problem in particular, we end up with the values $12000.94/year for A and $9000.08/year for B, so obviously B is better, but exactly what method is being used? I've tried researching "net annual cost" for a similar method, but haven't been able to find anything useful.

Any help?

It works by converting the present money and future money into an equivalent annual rate, given i = 12% per term and there are 11 terms. You then sum up all of the annuities to find the total annual loss (which is positive here) for each option.
 

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