What is the most efficient radiator shape?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of the most efficient shape for a radiator, specifically focusing on electromagnetic radiation efficiency. The context includes considerations of thermal radiation, particularly in applications like engine radiators and spacecraft, and the efficiency is defined in terms of radiated power relative to volume.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether the discussion pertains to antenna design, noting that efficiency may depend on frequency.
  • One participant clarifies that they are referring to an engine radiator emitting infrared radiation at approximately 250 Kelvin.
  • There is confusion regarding the type of radiator being discussed, with requests for clarification on whether it refers to car radiators or spacecraft radiators.
  • A participant specifies that they are interested in a radiator that exchanges heat solely through thermal radiation, without convection or conduction, and indicates that a single flat surface is not the desired shape.
  • Another participant suggests that a flat, thin plane could be the most efficient shape for a radiator, acknowledging this as a mathematical conclusion.
  • A later reply notes that the original poster seems to have resolved their own question, leading to a suggestion that the thread may be concluded.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and some confusion regarding the type of radiator being referenced. While one participant suggests a flat plane as the most efficient shape, this is not universally agreed upon, and the conversation remains somewhat unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and constraints of the radiator shapes being discussed, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the specific applications and conditions under which efficiency is being evaluated.

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What is the highest efficiency (electromagnetic) radiator shape? Meaning, a shape with the highest radiated power/volume (radiated power is in this case dependent only on surface area and how much of the radiation is reabsorbed by the radiatior)
 
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Do you mean antenna design? It depends on frequency.
 
anorlunda said:
Do you mean antenna design? It depends on frequency.
No, I mean an engine radiator, emitting infrared at about 250 Kelvin
 
Christofer Br said:
What is the highest efficiency (electromagnetic) radiator shape?
Christofer Br said:
No, I mean an engine radiator, emitting infrared at about 250 Kelvin
That makes no sense to me.

Please help us to help you.

Do you mean like the radiator in the front of your car? Or radiators on spacecraft to shed excess heat? Please don't keep us guessing. Can you use Google Images to find an image of the kinds of "radiators" that you are asking about?
 
berkeman said:
That makes no sense to me.

Please help us to help you.

Do you mean like the radiator in the front of your car? Or radiators on spacecraft to shed excess heat? Please don't keep us guessing. Can you use Google Images to find an image of the kinds of "radiators" that you are asking about?
I'm talking about a radiator that exchanges heat only by thermal radiation - no convection or heat conduction *out* from it. Somewhat similar to a spacecraft radiator, but without constraints on weight and portability. I should also add that a single flat surface is not what I am after, even though it's probably the most radiative per volume.
 
Nevermind, actually a flat, as thin as possible plane could work, and it's indeed mathematically the most efficient shape for a radiator! neat, sorry for the confusion guys :)
 
It appears that the OP answered his own question. There is nothing more to add. Thread locked.
 
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