What is the Name of the Musical Concept of a Never-Ending Circle?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a "never-ending circle" in music, exploring the relationships between songs, mathematical references, and musical theory. Participants engage with ideas related to circularity in music and its potential connections to topology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a metaphorical "wheel" representing the structure of songs, suggesting that there are multiple paths one can take after completing a song.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the initial post, indicating confusion over the concepts presented.
  • A participant mentions that the circumference of a circle is finite and discusses the nature of pi as a transcendental number, while also asserting that songs do not have sides.
  • There is a reference to music theory concepts such as the "circle of notes" and "circles of fifths," indicating a connection to established musical frameworks.
  • Some participants humorously suggest that the interpretation of music might be influenced by altered states of consciousness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and interpretations of the original metaphor, with no consensus reached on the meaning or implications of the "never-ending circle" in music.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and engagement with the mathematical and musical concepts, indicating potential limitations in clarity and coherence of the initial ideas presented.

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Individuals interested in the intersection of music theory, mathematics, and philosophical interpretations of music may find this discussion engaging.

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i like to listen to music a bit and one of the things that everyone who listens long enough notice is a circle that never ends, same thing with lots of things. now I've heard that the circumference of circle is an infinite number and that's what people seem to concentrate on if pie ends knowing it doesn't. know some songs claim "360 degrees of perfected styles" and others claim "circles in the sand" but here's the thing, I've noticed 3 sides to every song. now this may seem unimportant but it got me thinking on how this "wheel" works. it looks like a wheel with any number of spooks at any angle running straight through, in the middle you had the hub once you complete a song if you decide to go on you chose the next song which you can take a left, right or continue on through the middle, so you have two outcomes, stay on the edge of the wheel or stay in the middle of the wheel.

so with 3 ways to go you have two outcomes, what is this called? sorry if it sounds like nonsence.
 
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...What?

EDIT: I read that really quickly which may have been a mistake... I'll read it once I'm done with my paper.
 
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sorry, some of the songs i listen to have lots math referances. it doesn't have to be music. i guess it would be topology, nm :-p
 
I can't make head or tail of that.
 
then I've done my job :D
 
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i like to listen to music a bit and one of the things that everyone who listens long enough notice is a circle that never ends, same thing with lots of things. now I've heard that the circumference of circle is an infinite number and that's what people seem to concentrate on if pie ends knowing it doesn't. know some songs claim "360 degrees of perfected styles" and others claim "circles in the sand" but here's the thing, I've noticed 3 sides to every song. now this may seem unimportant but it got me thinking on how this "wheel" works. it looks like a wheel with any number of spooks at any angle running straight through, in the middle you had the hub once you complete a song if you decide to go on you chose the next song which you can take a left, right or continue on through the middle, so you have two outcomes, stay on the edge of the wheel or stay in the middle of the wheel.

so with 3 ways to go you have two outcomes, what is this called? sorry if it sounds like nonsence.
Get some sleep!

The circumference of a circle is finite, because the diameter (or radius) is finite. Pi is a transcendental number, which is also an infinite series, and is also the 'ratio' of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

Songs don't have sides - they have a beginning and an end, and everything in between is the song. :biggrin:

From any point, there are infinite directions - but one can only pick one at any instant.

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what is this called?
Sleep deprivation. :biggrin:
 
Do you think you'll ever write a spherical song?

 
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thanks for clearing that up the math astronuc, I'm not polished :redface:.

in music theory you have a circle of notes, circles of 5th's.

:rolleyes: ...run :smile:
 
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This all sounds like the kind of music interpretation that can be only achived through chemical means, if you catch my drift :wink:

By the way- have you ever listened to A Perfect Circle :-p
 
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for some reason a cracked up peace sign doesn't do the name justice, maybe if it was on fire and dripping blood?
 

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