What is the name of the physics law

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter OSalcido
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Law Physics
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that in an isolated system, entropy tends to increase over time, leading to a breakdown of complex structures into simpler forms. Participants highlight the misinterpretation of this law by creationists to argue against evolution, emphasizing that the law applies primarily to equilibrium systems and does not negate local decreases in entropy. The conversation also touches on the importance of understanding statistical mechanics and the probabilistic nature of entropy in complex systems.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of the Second Law of Thermodynamics
  • Familiarity with concepts of entropy and equilibrium
  • Basic knowledge of statistical mechanics
  • Awareness of deterministic and probabilistic systems in physics
NEXT STEPS
  • Research the implications of the Second Law of Thermodynamics in non-equilibrium systems
  • Study statistical mechanics and its foundational postulates
  • Explore the relationship between entropy and information theory
  • Examine common misconceptions surrounding thermodynamic laws in the context of evolution
USEFUL FOR

Students of physics, educators in the sciences, and anyone interested in the intersection of thermodynamics and evolutionary theory will benefit from this discussion.

OSalcido
Messages
66
Reaction score
0
that says complex things tend to breakdown into simpler things over time?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Chaotical systems (the eqns of motion are nonlinear) could exhibit interesting behavior.I'm sure that the evolution of nonequilibrium statistical systems follows the second principle of thermodynamics.

And your question is awfully vague.

Daniel.
 
well I can't really remember much more about the law than what I asked, sorry

I think creationists use it to disprove evolution
 
Do you mean entropy?

I think creationists use it to disprove evolution
Yeah. :rolleyes:
 
Last edited:
I think he is referring to the second law of thermodynamics. Whether this law says that complex things tend to break down into simpler things over time is largely debatable.

Maybe this susceptibility to misinterpretation is why creationists use it to disprove evolution?
 
Sounds like the second law of thermodynamics to me too. To properly understand the second law one must be careful and rigorous--there's a LOT of misinformation out there. Pretty much all of statistical mechanics (a formal statistical framework from which the original "laws of thermodynamics" can be derived) is based around one postulate: A system in equilibrium has equal probability of existing in any of it's accessible states.
(I am however still not too clear on the precise definition of equilibrium myself)

Here's a little example to help you understand more about entropy and "complex things" becoming "simpler". First of all, you must understand that in (classical) physics the universe is a fundamentally reversible, deterministic system in which "information" is conserved. It is only when one invokes statistics that one can talk about "losing" or "gaining" information, and I think that's what you are getting at when you ask about complex systems becoming simpler.

Imagine two chambers, connected by a tube with a valve in it. Say you close the valve and fill only the left chamber with gas. What do you know? Well, you know for instance that every particle of gas is in the left side of your system. Now say you open the valve. Equilibrium is eventually reached in which both chambers are filled with the same amount of gas. At this point, what do you know? Pretty much nothing! You really can't say what particle is where, can you? In this sense, one could say that information has been lost. Which would make it seem like the system is now "simpler".

But again, you must realize that you are still talking in terms of probabilities, which are not fundamental, but rather an abstraction used to study macroscopic systems. At the heart of everything is Newton's laws, and actually, no information has been lost.
 
Yep I think its the 2nd law of thermodynamics
 
OSalcido said:
I think creationists use it to disprove evolution
Hah ! That's priceless...are creationists trying to use science to invalidate a scientific theory and replace it with an unscientific one ? :rolleyes:

1. As Dexter mentioned, the Second Law does not apply to non-equilibrium systems like complex organisms,

2. Even if it did (in some fantasy world), this is still a blatant misunderstanding (assuming there was even an attempt at understanding, in the first place) of the Second Law, which does NOT prohibit local reduction of entropy.

Might as well go about denying the existence of snowflakes, while they're at it !
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
674
  • · Replies 41 ·
2
Replies
41
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
749
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
5K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K