What is the Net Electric Flux through a Sphere with an External Charge?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net electric flux through a spherical surface surrounding a region with no charge, while a point charge is located outside this sphere. The problem is set within the context of electrostatics and involves applying Gauss' Law and evaluating surface integrals of the electric field.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to evaluate the electric flux using both Gauss' Law and direct integration of the electric field over the surface of the sphere. They express concerns about the complexity of the integral when positioning the charge and the sphere at the origin. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the placement of the charge and the sphere, while others suggest reconsidering the integral setup and possible substitutions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical details of the problem, with some providing corrections to earlier calculations. There is a recognition of the challenges posed by the integrals involved, and suggestions for substitutions have been made. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the reasoning and calculations without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of Gauss' Law, particularly in relation to the conditions under which it applies. The discussion also highlights the complexity of integrating functions involving trigonometric terms and square roots, which may not have straightforward solutions.

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Homework Statement


Consider a spherical region V of radius R without any charge and a point charge q outside the spherical region at a distance d from the center as shown in the figure. Evaluate explicitly the net electric flux out of the surface S which bounds the spherical region V.

Homework Equations


Electric Field of a Point Charge (k=1):
[tex]\vec{E}=\frac{q}{r^2}\hat{r}[/tex]

Electric Flux out of a Surface:
[tex]\Phi_{E}=\int_{S}\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{\sigma}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


From Gauss' Law, I know the answer should be zero since there is no charge enclosed by the sphere. The main problem with solving this by using the surface integral instead, is that I can only place either the sphere or the charge at the origin, which yields a fairly complicated integral.

If I consider the charge at the origin, then [tex]\vec{E}=\frac{q}{r^2}\hat{r}[/tex], and [tex]d\vec{\sigma}=R^2sin\theta d\Phi d\theta\hat{R}[/tex]

If I place the sphere at the origin, then [tex]d\vec{\sigma}=R^2sin\theta d\Phi d\theta\hat{r}[/tex], but the electric field is then [tex]\vec{E}=\frac{q}{r^2}\hat{r'}[/tex]

Here, due to the spherical symmetry, the integral can be simplified to [tex]\Phi_{E}=2\pi qR^2\int^{\pi}_{0}\frac{sin\theta}{r^2}(\hat{r}\cdot \hat{r'})d\theta[/tex]

For some point on the circle (R, θ), r²=R²+d²-2Rdcosθ, so [tex]\Phi_{E}=2\pi qR^2\int^{\pi}_{0}\frac{sin\theta d\theta}{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}(\hat{r}\cdot \hat{r'})[/tex]

The problem for me is the dot product term, since both are unit vectors, it is simply the cosine of the angle between the to vectors. However, using the law of cosines again gives
[tex]cos\theta '=\frac{R^2+r^2-d^2}{2Rr}=\frac{R-dcos\theta}{\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}}[/tex]

Then the integral is [tex]\Phi_{E}=2\pi qR^2\int^{\pi}_{0}\frac{sin\theta (R-dcos\theta )d\theta}{(R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta)^{3/2}}[/tex]

The first integral, [tex]\int^{\pi}_{o}\frac{Rsin\theta d\theta}{(R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta)^{3/2}}=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}}\right|^{\pi}_{0}=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\pi}}+\frac{1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos0}}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2+2Rd}}+\frac{1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rd}}=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{(R-d)^2}}+\frac{1}{d\sqrt{(R+d)^2}}=\frac{1}{d(R+d)}+\frac{-1}{d(R-d)}=\frac{-2}{(R^2-d^2)}[/tex]

I assume the above integral is correct.

The problem comes from the second integral, with the sinθcosθdθ in the numerator, it is not of a particular form I am familiar with, and there seem to be no obvious substitutions in order to integrate it. Is this solution on the right track, or is there something I missed that may have been easier? Thanks.
 
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Brian-san said:
Then the integral is [tex]\Phi_{E}=2\pi qR^2\int^{\pi}_{0}\frac{sin\theta (R-dcos\theta )d\theta}{(R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta)^{3/2}}[/tex]

So far, so good!:approve:

The first integral, [tex]\int^{\pi}_{o}\frac{Rsin\theta d\theta}{(R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta)^{3/2}}=\left.\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}}\right|^{\pi}_{0}=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos\pi}}+\frac{1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rdcos0}}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2+2Rd}}+\frac{1}{d\sqrt{R^2²+d^2-2Rd}}=\frac{-1}{d\sqrt{(R-d)^2}}+\frac{1}{d\sqrt{(R+d)^2}}=\frac{1}{d(R+d)}+\frac{-1}{d(R-d)}=\frac{-2}{(R^2-d^2)}[/tex]

I assume the above integral is correct.

Not quite, if the point charge is outside the sphere, then [itex]d>R[/itex] and hence

[tex]\sqrt{(R-d)^2}=d-R\neq R-d[/tex]

The problem comes from the second integral, with the sinθcosθdθ in the numerator, it is not of a particular form I am familiar with, and there seem to be no obvious substitutions in order to integrate it. Is this solution on the right track, or is there something I missed that may have been easier? Thanks.

Just make the substitution [itex]x=\cos\theta[/itex] and then integrate by parts.
 
Adjusting for the square root mistake, then the first result will be
[tex]\frac{2R}{d(R^2-d^2)}[/tex]

For the secont integral I get
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{R^2+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}}{2R^2d^2}+\frac{R^2+d^2}{2R^2d^2\sqrt{R^2+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}}\right|^{\pi}_{0}=\frac{R^2+d^2-Rdcos\theta}{R^2d^2\sqrt{R^2+d^2-2Rdcos\theta}}\right|^{\pi}_{0}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{R^2+d^2+Rd}{2R^2d^2\sqrt{R^2+d^2+2Rd}}-\frac{R^2+d^2-Rd}{R^2d^2\sqrt{R^2+d^2-2R}}=\frac{R^2+d^2+Rd}{2R^2d^2\sqrt{(R+d)^2}}-\frac{R^2+d^2-Rd}R^2d^2\sqrt{(R-d)^2}}=\frac{R^2+d^2+Rd}{R^2d^2(R+d)}-\frac{R^2+d^2-Rd}{R^2d^2(d-R)}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{R^2((d-R)-(d+R))+d^2((d-R)-(d+R))+Rd((d-R)+(d+R))}{R^2d^2(d+R)(d-R)}=\frac{R^2(-2R)+d^2(-2R)+Rd(2d)}{R^2d^2(d^2-R^2)}[/tex]
[tex]=\frac{-2R^3}{R^2d^2(d^2-R^2)}=\frac{-2R}{d^2(d^2-R^2)}=\frac{2R}{d^2(R^2-d^2)}[/tex]

This term is then multiplied by -d and added to the previous getting zero. This is what I expected from Gauss Law. I really can appreciate Gauss' Law in this case, it greatly simplifies this type problem.
 
Brian-san said:
This is what I expected from Gauss Law. I really can appreciate Gauss' Law in this case, it greatly simplifies this type problem.

Indeed!:smile:
 

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