What is the Origin of Electric Charge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the origin of electric charge, exploring theoretical explanations and the relationship between charge and mass, particularly in the context of the Higgs Boson. Participants express curiosity about the nature of charge and its foundational principles within physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of electric charge, paralleling it with the search for the Higgs Boson and the concept of mass.
  • Another suggests that charged virtual particles are involved, noting that the Coulomb force is mediated by photons, but acknowledges the difficulty in explaining these concepts without circular reasoning.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the existence of a definitive answer, indicating a lack of widely accepted theories on the origin of charge.
  • Some participants mention various theories, including the idea that charge may arise from a tightly curled dimension, referencing Kaluza-Klein theory.
  • One participant proposes that observing photon interactions could potentially lead to insights about the origin of charge.
  • Another notes that what is modeled as "charge" might be an emergent behavior, raising the question of the origin of color-charge as well.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of advancing theories without peer-reviewed support, emphasizing the uncertainty surrounding the topic.
  • A participant expresses optimism about future discoveries regarding the origins of charge, despite potential societal challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty regarding the origin of electric charge, with multiple competing views and theories presented. No consensus is reached on any particular explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of current understanding, including the potential for circular arguments and the absence of definitive theories explaining the origin of charge.

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I have to say a lot of the physics discussd in this section is a little beyond me but that does not stop me thinking.

Given the search for the Higgs Boson which allows mass to exist it has occurred to me what is the origin of the electric charge. Surely as mass is property with an origin what is there to explain the origins of charge? I have not been able to find much as of yet hense the question.
 
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Given the search for the Higgs Boson which allows mass to exist it has occurred to me what is the origin of the electric charge.
Charged virtual particles of course. There are lots of them. But the coulomb force is mediated by photons.

If you are wondering where the charges virtual particles get their charge from, then you should also wonder where the Higgs boson get's its mass. It is difficult to use plain language to describe the concepts here without ending up with a circular argument.

Here's another popular try:
http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=525
 
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There is no answer then, which is what I thought. I just wondered if there was some sort of theory to try to explain this that I was unaware of.

Circular arguments are pointless anyway.
 
There are a bunch of them ... iirc: there's one that charge is a result of a dimension that is curled up very tight for example. Nothing has stuck so far - whereas the Higgs theory has stuck for mass... so far.
 
I remember that now. It that something to do with gravity in a fifth dimension behaving like EM. I cannot remember the theory now it had some K's in it.
 
kaluza klein.
 
if you could make an instrument that would be able to observe a photons interactions, you would potentially be able to answer that question, maybe with a neutrino gun and some electrons?
 
Most of them are like that - what we are modelling as "charge" is an emergent behavior.
Also - where does color-charge come from?

It seems to bother people that "I don't know" is a valid answer in Science.

I suspect that advancing any particular theory about the origin of charge, without peer-reviewed supporting documentation, would be against the rules.
 
i wasn't planning on any breakthroughs but it isn't outside of our capabilities. we stumbled upon the atoms and quarks by investigations, and will one day stumble upon the origins of charge one way or another, unless war or natural disasters will take us, which it just looks like they will
 

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