What is the outer product of a tensor product of vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of the outer product in the context of tensor products of vectors within single-particle Hilbert spaces. Participants explore the implications of defining outer products in a multi-particle Hilbert space and how these definitions relate to operators acting on such spaces.

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  • One participant proposes a definition of the outer product in a tensor product space as $$\lvert\psi ,\phi\rangle\langle\phi ,\psi\rvert =\lvert\psi\rangle\langle\psi\rvert_{1} \lvert\phi\rangle\langle\phi\rvert_{2}$$ and questions its validity.
  • Another participant suggests considering more general outer products, stating that $$|a,b\rangle\langle c,d|=|a\rangle\otimes |b\rangle\langle c|\otimes\langle d|$$ is an operator on the product space and demonstrates its application to an element of that space.
  • A later reply challenges the initial definition, arguing that juxtaposing operators from different spaces does not yield a meaningful expression and proposes an alternative form: $$\lvert a,b\rangle\langle c,d\rvert =\lvert a\rangle\langle c\rvert\otimes\lvert b\rangle\langle d\rvert$$.
  • Another participant seeks to establish the equivalence of different expressions involving outer products and tensor products, suggesting a method to show this equivalence through application to a state vector.
  • One participant provides a detailed breakdown of how the expressions can be shown to be equivalent, reinforcing the proposed definitions and their implications.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and interpretation of outer products in tensor product spaces. There is no consensus on a single definition, and multiple competing perspectives are presented throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight the importance of operator spaces and the implications of defining operations between them, indicating that assumptions about the nature of these operations may affect the validity of certain expressions.

Frank Castle
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If one has two single-particle Hilbert spaces ##\mathcal{H}_{1}## and ##\mathcal{H}_{2}##, such that their tensor product ##\mathcal{H}_{1}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{2}## yields a two-particle Hilbert space in which the state vectors are defined as $$\lvert\psi ,\phi\rangle =\lvert\psi\rangle\otimes\lvert\phi\rangle\in\mathcal{H}_{1}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{2}$$ where ##\lvert\psi\rangle\in\mathcal{H}_{1}## and ##\lvert\phi\rangle\in\mathcal{H}_{2}##.

Now, the inner product for ##\mathcal{H}_{1}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{2}## is defined such that $$\langle\phi ,\psi\vert\psi ,\phi\rangle =\left(\langle\phi\rvert\otimes\langle\psi\lvert\right)\left(\lvert\psi\rangle\otimes\lvert\phi\rangle\right) =\langle\psi\lvert\psi\rangle_{1}\langle\phi\lvert\phi\rangle_{2}$$ where ##\langle\cdot\lvert\cdot\rangle_{1}## is the inner product defined on ##\mathcal{H}_{1}## and ##\langle\cdot\lvert\cdot\rangle_{2}## the inner product defined on ##\mathcal{H}_{2}##.

How though is the outer product defined? Is it simply $$\lvert\psi ,\phi\rangle\langle\phi ,\psi\rvert =\lvert\psi\rangle\otimes\lvert\phi\rangle\langle\phi\rvert\otimes\langle\psi\rvert =\lvert\psi\rangle\langle\psi\rvert_{1} \lvert\phi\rangle\langle\phi\rvert_{2}$$ where ##\lvert\psi\rangle\langle\psi\rvert_{1}## is the outer product in ##\mathcal{H}_{1}## and ##\lvert\phi\rangle\langle\phi\rvert_{2}## is the outer product in ##\mathcal{H}_{2}##.
 
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It might be easier to think of more general outer products, rather than the outer product of an element with itself, as you have written.
That is, consider the outer product ##|a,b\rangle\langle c,d|=|a\rangle\otimes |b\rangle\langle c|\otimes\langle d|##.

This is an operator on the product space ##\mathcal{H}_{1}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{2}##. To see what it does, we apply it to an element of that space ##|e,f\rangle=|e\rangle\otimes |f\rangle##.

The result is ##|a,b\rangle \langle c|e\rangle \langle d|f\rangle##
 
andrewkirk said:
This is an operator on the product space H1⊗H2\mathcal{H}_{1}\otimes\mathcal{H}_{2}. To see what it does, we apply it to an element of that space |e,f⟩=|e⟩⊗|f⟩|e,f\rangle=|e\rangle\otimes |f\rangle.

The result is |a,b⟩⟨c|e⟩⟨d|f⟩

So one can't define it as ##\lvert a,b\rangle\langle c,d\rvert =\lvert a\rangle\langle c\rvert\lvert b\rangle\langle d\rvert## then? Should it be something like $$\lvert a,b\rangle\langle c,d\rvert =\lvert a\rangle\langle c\rvert\otimes\lvert b\rangle\langle d\rvert$$

I ask in particular as I'm trying to understand the notion of a partial trace.
 
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Frank Castle said:
So one can't define it as ##\lvert a,b\rangle\langle c,d\rvert =\lvert a\rangle\langle c\rvert\lvert b\rangle\langle d\rvert## then?
That symbol string on the RHS is not intrinsically meaningful. It juxtaposes the two operators ##\lvert a\rangle\langle c\rvert## and ##\lvert b\rangle\langle d\rvert## but:
- since they are not scalars, the juxtaposition cannot be interpreted as scalar multiplication
- since they are operators on different spaces (##\mathcal H_1## and ##\mathcal H_2##), the juxtaposition cannot be interpreted as composition of operation.

Should it be something like $$\lvert a,b\rangle\langle c,d\rvert =\lvert a\rangle\langle c\rvert\otimes\lvert b\rangle\langle d\rvert$$
That is one of a number of intrinsically meaningful ways of writing it. It has the same meaning as what I wrote above ##(
|a\rangle\otimes |b\rangle)(\langle c|\otimes\langle d|)## (I have added parentheses here that were only implied above, to make it clear what operations are being performed).
 
andrewkirk said:
That is one of a number of intrinsically meaningful ways of writing it. It has the same meaning as what I wrote above (|a⟩⊗|b⟩)(⟨c|⊗⟨d|)

How does one show that the two expressions are equivalent? Would it be something like this:
$$\left(\lvert a\rangle\otimes\lvert b\rangle\langle c\rvert\otimes\langle d\rvert\right)\lvert e\rangle\otimes\lvert f\rangle =\lvert a\rangle\otimes\lvert b\rangle\left(\langle c\vert e\rangle\langle d\vert f\rangle\right)\\ =\left(\lvert a\rangle\langle c\vert e\rangle\right)\otimes \left(\lvert b\rangle\langle d\vert f\rangle\right) =\left(\lvert a\rangle\langle c\lvert\otimes\lvert b\rangle\langle d\lvert\right)\lvert e\rangle\otimes\lvert f\rangle$$
 
I would write it as follows:

$$(|a,b\rangle\langle c,d|)|e,f\rangle\equiv (|a\rangle\otimes|b\rangle)(\langle c|\otimes\langle d|)(|e\rangle\otimes|f\rangle)=(\langle c|e\rangle|a\rangle)\otimes (\langle d|f\rangle|b\rangle)$$
and
$$(|a\rangle\langle c|\otimes|b\rangle\langle d|)|e,f\rangle\equiv
(|a\rangle\langle c|\otimes|b\rangle\langle d|)(|e\rangle\otimes |f\rangle)\
=(|a\rangle\langle c|)|e\rangle\otimes (|b\rangle\langle d|)|f\rangle
\equiv (\langle c|e\rangle|a\rangle)\otimes (\langle d|f\rangle|b\rangle)
$$
So
$$(|a,b\rangle\langle c,d|)=(|a\rangle\langle c|\otimes|b\rangle\langle d|)$$
 

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