What is the partial derivative of f(x,y) with respect to x if y=0?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative of the function f(x,y) defined piecewise, particularly when y is set to 0. The participants explore the implications of this condition on the derivative's existence and value.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the limit definition of a derivative when y is fixed at 0, questioning how to handle the term sin(y)/y in this context. There is confusion regarding the behavior of the function and whether the partial derivative exists under these conditions.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the treatment of y as a constant and the implications for the derivative. Some participants express uncertainty about the conclusion regarding the differentiability of the function when y=0, while others suggest that the function's value leads to a straightforward result.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the piecewise nature of the function and the specific case when y=0, with participants questioning the assumptions about the function's behavior in this scenario.

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Homework Statement


Find [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] if:
[tex]f(x,y) = \begin{cases}x^2\frac{\sin y}{y}, & y\neq 0\\0, &y=0 \end{cases}[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


If [itex]y\neq 0[/itex], then it's simple, but I get confused about the second part. How can I exactly utilize the limit definition of a derivative when I'm told that y=0?
[tex]f_x = \frac{\sin y}{y}\lim_{t\to 0}\frac{(x+t)^2 - x^2}{t} = 2x\frac{\sin y}{y}[/tex]. If y = 0 can I say that [itex]\frac{\sin y}{y} = 1[/itex] since that would be the limit as y approaches 0, but y is already fixed at 0. Does the partial derivative not exist if y = 0?
 
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nuuskur said:

Homework Statement


Find [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}[/itex] if:
[tex]f(x,y) = \begin{cases}x^2\frac{\sin y}{y}, & y\neq 0\\0, &y=0 \end{cases}[/tex]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


If [itex]y\neq 0[/itex], then it's simple, but I get confused about the second part. How can I exactly utilize the limit definition of a derivative when I'm told that y=0?
[tex]f_x = \frac{\sin y}{y}\lim_{t\to 0}\frac{(x+t)^2 - x^2}{t} = 2x\frac{\sin y}{y}[/tex]. If y = 0 can I say that [itex]\frac{\sin y}{y} = 1[/itex] since that would be the limit as y approaches 0, but y is already fixed at 0. Does the partial derivative not exist if y = 0?

Wow! You weren't kidding when you said you're confused.

Since you want to find ∂f(x,y) / ∂x, then y is treated as a constant, so it is irrelevant what the limit of sin(y)/y is.
 
And I am treating it as a constant. When the arguments are taken only on the x-axis I would say that the derivative is [itex]\frac{0}{0}2x[/itex], which is gibberish and leads me to believe that the function is not partially differentiable with respect to x when y=0. Is this conclusion correct, incorrect and/or incomplete?
 
nuuskur said:
And I am treating it as a constant. When the arguments are taken only on the x-axis I would say that the derivative is [itex]\frac{0}{0}2x[/itex], which is gibberish and leads me to believe that the function is not partially differentiable with respect to x when y=0. Is this conclusion correct or incorrect?

Since f(x,y) = 0 when y = 0, then what is ∂ 0 / ∂x ? Remember, f(x,y) = 0 when y = 0 presumably holds for any and all values of x.
 
SteamKing said:
Since f(x,y) = 0 when y = 0, then what is ∂ 0 / ∂x ? Remember, f(x,y) = 0 when y = 0 presumably holds for any and all values of x.
Oh right, I am dumb. It's 0.
 

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