What is the phase difference for waves with a 25% increase in amplitude?

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The discussion revolves around determining the phase difference between two waves that produce a resultant wave with a 25% increase in amplitude. The subject area is wave mechanics, specifically focusing on the mathematical representation and interaction of waves.

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  • Participants discuss using trigonometric identities and phasor representation to analyze the problem. Some express uncertainty about the phasor method and seek clarification on its application. Others suggest visualizing the waves as vectors and using geometric methods to find the phase difference.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored, including vector addition and the cosine rule. Participants are sharing insights and asking questions to deepen their understanding, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method or solution.

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Some participants note the assumption that both waves have the same amplitude and question how to apply geometric reasoning to find the phase difference. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the representation of the waves as vectors.

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Two waves are identical apart from a phase difference, they create a resultant wave of 25% increase of the original amplitude, what is the phase difference.
sin(alpha)+sin(beta)=2sin(1/2)(alpha+beta)cos(1/2)(alpha-beta)
Asin(kx+wt)=2sin(1/2)(alpha+beta)cos(1/2)alpha-beta)
Asin(kx+wt)=2sin(1/2)(alpha+beta)cos(1/2)alpha-beta)
=1.2Asin(kx+wt)

I assume that's right then you rearrange but I'm highly doubting myself
 
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It is a LOT easier if you use the phasor representation of the waves.
Then you just add the phasor arrows head-to-tail like vectors.
 
Simon Bridge said:
It is a LOT easier if you use the phasor representation of the waves.
Then you just add the phasor arrows head-to-tail like vectors.


So like.. e^i(wt-kx) ? I never really understood this method so I should probably look it up, how would you apply that to this question? If I may ask

Thanks for the help!
 
The two waves vary at the same rate - so they will always maintain the same phase difference between them.

Executive summary:

Waves can be represented by vectors that rotate. The length of the vector is the amplitude of the wave.

Two waves that are identical but for a phase difference are two vectors with an constant angle between them.

The result of the two waves combining is the same as adding the two vectors.

So two waves with a phase difference of ##\phi## but identical otherwise, will form a iscoseles triangle where the external angle at the apex is the phase difference. Thus the internal angle is ##\theta=\pi-\phi##

The resultant is the third side - use the cosine rule.
Sketch it and you'll see.

i.e. if the phase difference is ##\pi/2##, and the amplitudes are A, then the resultant wave will have amplitude ##\sqrt{2}A## (pythagoras).

What you are trying to do is:
##\sin(\omega t-kx)+\sin(\omega t-kx+\phi) = A\sin(\omega t-kx+\delta)##
... you are given ##A## and you need to find ##\phi##
 
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So to ask simply, apologies if I'm wrong. As we know that both waves have the same amplitude and their resultant is 25% greater, could I draw a line joined to another line which as at an angle. Label the angle outside of the two lines (apex) as theta. After this I could use Pythagoras to determine the inside angles and then knowing the angle is 180 determine the unknown angle which is he phase difference?

I could label lines with length 4, 4 and 5
So sorry for the lateness!
 
I'd draw arrows, not lines. In this case they are the same length.
As vectors: ##\vec r = (r,\theta)## ... i.e. a length and an angle measured anticlockwise from some reference direction (i.e. the x axis).

If the first wave is ##\vec r_1 = (1,0)##
Then the second wave is ##\vec r_2 = (1,\theta)##
Sketch these head-to-tail - careful: ##\theta\neq\pi/2## so don't draw a right-angle.

Since there is no right angle, you cannot use pythagoras directly.
I'd use the cosine rule instead.
 
I'd draw arrows, not lines. In this case they are the same length.
As vectors: ##\vec r = (r,\theta)## ... i.e. a length and an angle measured anticlockwise from some reference direction (i.e. the x axis).

If the first wave is ##\vec r_1 = (1,0)##
Then the second wave is ##\vec r_2 = (1,\theta)##
Sketch these head-to-tail - careful: ##\theta\neq\pi/2## so don't draw a right-angle.

Since there is no right angle, you cannot use pythagoras directly.
I'd use the cosine rule instead.
 

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