What is the physical intuition behind radiative heating and cooling?

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The discussion centers on the physical intuition behind radiative heating and cooling, with a focus on understanding the concepts without delving into detailed calculations. Participants express interest in practical examples related to solids, planets, atmospheres, and asteroids rather than theoretical models like blackbodies or spectra.

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  • One participant seeks references that provide physical intuition about radiative heating and cooling without requiring extensive calculations.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the term "intuition" in this context and suggests that the original question is broad and vague, recommending a Wikipedia article for initial understanding.
  • A participant shares a previous experience related to radiative effects, noting surprise at the influence of distant objects on radiative cooling and expressing a lack of physical intuition regarding the phenomenon.
  • There is a mention of a preference for resources that combine simple calculations with explanatory content, specifically referencing a desire for a monograph from the 1960s.
  • A suggestion is made to consult a specific chapter on radiation from the book by Lienhard & Lienhard.
  • Another participant elaborates on the influence of view angle in radiative problems, explaining how the geometry of surfaces affects radiative interactions.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on what constitutes "physical intuition" in this context, and there are multiple competing views regarding the clarity and focus of the original question. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to gain intuition about radiative heating and cooling.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the clarity of terminology and the broadness of the initial inquiry, which may affect the direction of responses. There is also a dependence on specific examples and contexts that may not be universally applicable.

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I am looking for a reference that will give me some physical intuition into radiative heating and cooling. I am not afraid of math, but I am not interested in performing detailed calculations.
 
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caz said:
I am looking for a reference that will give me some physical intuition into radiative heating and cooling. I am not afraid of math, but I am not interested in performing detailed calculations.
I don't know what "intuition" means in this context. Can you explain what it is that you want to know? As stated, the question is extremely broad and vague. Have you read the Wikipedia article on the subject?
 
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A couple of weeks ago, I asked this question
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/frost-preferentially-forms-on-non-vertical-car-windows.998408/
I was surprised that part of the answer was that a wall 20 ft away influenced the answer. I had no physical intuition what so ever.

I am more interested in solids, planets, atmospheres and asteroids than I am in blackbodies or spectra.

In my perfect world, someone would suggest a 100-page 1960 monograph that mixes simple calculations with exposition on what the detailed calculation would involve.
 
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caz said:
A couple of weeks ago, I asked this question
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/frost-preferentially-forms-on-non-vertical-car-windows.998408/
I was surprised that part of the answer was that a wall 20 ft away influenced the answer. I had no physical intuition what so ever.
It's a pretty straightforward problem of view angle. A flat plate has a 180 degree field of view (a hemisphere). For a vertical (horizontal facing) window, half of that is a view of the ground. The impact of the wall depends on how big and warm it is.
 

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