# What is the physical meaning of [H,ρ ]=0 for a stationary state?

1. Nov 9, 2011

If ρ is the desity operator of a ensemble.
We get (ih/2π) ∂ρ/∂ t = [H,ρ ].
for a stationary state [H,ρ ]=0 . So H and ρ can share the same eigenvectors. Can someone explain what does this mean?

2. Nov 9, 2011

### spocchio

let suppose you have of H:

$\hat{H}|E_i\rangle=E_{H,i}|E_i\rangle$

If you can diagonalize H and rho together
there is no reason to think that the set of $|E_i\rangle$ that can be diagonalized at the same time with H are ALL the $|E_i\rangle$ that are diagonal for $\hat{H}$. in general the eigenstates in common is a subset of the eigenstates of H.
But let consider only the sub set of eigenstates of H that are also eigenstates of rho, you have

$\hat{\rho}|E_i\rangle=E_{p,i}|E_i\rangle$

and so you can write rho as

$\hat{\rho}=\Sigma_i \lambda_i |E_i\rangle\langle E_i|$

that is the representation of your rho in the eigenstates of hamiltonian.

3. Nov 9, 2011

### kith

The density matrix being diagonal corresponds to a completely incoherent mixture. So the eigenvectors of the density matrix are the constituents of this mixture.

4. Nov 14, 2011

But the expression
$\hat{\rho}=\Sigma_i \lambda_i |E_i\rangle\langle E_i|$
is of the same form to the defination of desity operator in a mixture state. I still don't know the specail characteristics of thie kind of rho. I am sorry, I am so stupid to understand the physical mean of [H, ρ ]=0.

5. Nov 14, 2011

Thank you, Kith! You mean that if [H,ρ]=0,thenthe eigenvectors of the ρ are the constituents of a incoherent mixture.

6. Nov 14, 2011

### vanhees71

The complete equation of motion for the Statistical Operator is the von Neumann equation,

$$\left (\frac{\partial \hat{\rho}}{\partial t} \right )_{\text{exp}} + \frac{1}{\mathrm{i} \hbar} [\hat{\rho},\hat{H}]=0.$$

Since a stationary state is defined as one for which the Statistical Operator is not explicitly dependent on time, for this case you arrive at the simplified equation

$$[\hat{\rho},\hat{H}]=0.$$

This means that for a stationary (or equilibrium) state, the Statistical Operator of the system must be a function of the conserved quantities and not explicitly dependent on time.

7. Feb 14, 2013

$$\left (\frac{\partial \hat{\rho}}{\partial t} \right )_{\text{exp}} + \frac{1}{\mathrm{i} \hbar} [\hat{\rho},\hat{H}]=0.$$