What is the potential field of an ion near the Bohr radius?

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The discussion revolves around the potential field of an ion at distances comparable to its Bohr radius, particularly considering the effects of electron shells and screening. Participants explore theoretical and computational approaches to approximate this potential, with a focus on quantum mechanics and related complexities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that at large distances, the potential field behaves like the Coulomb potential, but questions arise about behavior at scales near the Bohr radius, including potential screening effects from the electron shell.
  • Another participant mentions the necessity of considering electron-electron interactions and proposes using the Central Field Approximation for simple calculations, while suggesting that numerical methods may be needed for more reliable results.
  • Some participants recommend studying multipole expansion of electric potential, although it is noted that this approach may not be suitable for the short distances in question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the best approach to approximate the potential field near the Bohr radius, with multiple competing views and methods being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the applicability of certain mathematical approaches at short distances and the complexity introduced by non-hydrogen-like atoms.

Ganesh Ujwal
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I figure that at large enough distances, the potential field of an ion is just the Coulomb potential for its net charge. But what happens at scales comparable to the ion's Bohr radius? Could there be, for example, some sort of screening effect from the electron shell that changes the potential? (depending on what the test charge is, like if you dropped a single electron near an ion)

I'm a bit rusty on quantum mechanics, but I do remember that the math for atoms that aren't hydrogen gets complicated. Is there a known good way to approximate this potential? Or is my best bet to go download some quantum chemistry software?
 
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Ganesh Ujwal said:
I figure that at large enough distances, the potential field of an ion is just the Coulomb potential for its net charge. But what happens at scales comparable to the ion's Bohr radius? Could there be, for example, some sort of screening effect from the electron shell that changes the potential? (depending on what the test charge is, like if you dropped a single electron near an ion)

I'm a bit rusty on quantum mechanics, but I do remember that the math for atoms that aren't hydrogen gets complicated. Is there a known good way to approximate this potential? Or is my best bet to go download some quantum chemistry software?
Not only is there a screening effect, but you have to include electron-electron interactions also. For simple calculations, you use the Central Field Approximation, but to get anything reliable, I guess that numerical calculations are the way to go.
 
Shyan said:
Study about multipole expansion of electric potential!
That won't work at the short distances the OP is considering.
 

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