What is the power series solution to this differential equation?

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The discussion revolves around finding a power series solution to a differential equation, specifically focusing on the substitutions and manipulations of series representations of the function and its derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the process of substituting power series into the differential equation and the challenges of aligning summation indices. There are attempts to derive a recurrence relation from the coefficients of the series, with some participants questioning the implications of their findings.

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The conversation includes various approaches to manipulating the series and deriving coefficients. Some participants have provided guidance on aligning terms, while others explore the implications of their results, noting discrepancies in the derived relations.

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There are mentions of specific assumptions about coefficients and the nature of solutions, particularly regarding the behavior of coefficients when certain conditions are met. Participants also reflect on the implications of their findings in relation to the original differential equation.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Making the substitutions [tex]y= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_n x^n[/tex] and [tex]y^{\prime} = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}na_nx^{n-1},[/tex]

[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> y'-2xy & = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (na_nx^{n-1} - 2xa_nx^n )\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} na_nx^{n-1} - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} 2xa_nx^n\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} na_nx^{n-1} - 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_nx^{n+1}\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} na_nx^{n-1} - 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_nx^{n+1}<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Now I'm having trouble seeing how to shift the summation index to combine the 2 sums into one and to have one coefficient of [tex]x^{n+1}[/tex]
 
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Hi Ted123! :smile:

(on this forum, use "tex", or "itex" for inline latex, rather than "latex" …

and then no need for "begin" etc :wink:)

You need to get everything with the same exponent …

so change that ∑…xn-1 to ∑…xn :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Ted123! :smile:

(on this forum, use "tex", or "itex" for inline latex, rather than "latex" …

and then no need for "begin" etc :wink:)

You need to get everything with the same exponent …

so change that ∑…xn-1 to ∑…xn :smile:


Just think it's easier to read if I align the equations :smile:

[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> y'-2xy & = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (na_nx^{n-1} - 2xa_nx^n )\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} na_nx^{n-1} - \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} 2xa_nx^n\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} na_nx^{n-1} - 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_nx^{n+1}\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} na_nx^{n-1} - 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_nx^{n+1}\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (n+1)a_{n+1}x^n - 2\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} a_nx^{n+1}<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

The problem is the RHS sum has [tex]x^{n+1}[/tex] not [tex]x^n[/tex]

EDIT: Just realized I can do this:

[tex]a_1+\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} [(n+1)a_{n+1}x^n-2a_{n-1}x^n][/tex]
[tex]a_1+\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} [(n+1)a_{n+1}-2a_{n-1}]x^n[/tex]

Equating the coefficients of [tex]x_n[/tex] at every n, we obtain the recurrence relation

[tex]a_1 = 0[/tex]
[tex](n+1)a_{n+1}-2a_{n-1} = 0,\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;n=1,2,3,...[/tex]
or
[tex]a_{n+1} = -\frac{2a_{n-1}}{n+1}[/tex]
 
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Equating the coefficients of [tex]x_n[/tex] at every n we obtain the recurrence relation

[tex]a_1 = 0[/tex]
[tex](n+1)a_{n+1}-2a_{n-1} = 0,\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;n=1,2,3,...[/tex]
or
[tex]a_{n+1} = -\frac{2a_{n-1}}{n+1}[/tex]

Setting consecutively [tex]n=1,2,3,...[/tex] we determine [tex]a_2, a_3, a_4[/tex] etc.:

[tex]a_2 = -\frac{2a_0}{2} = -a_0[/tex]

[tex]a_3 = -\frac{2a_1}{3} = 0[/tex]

[tex]a_4 = -\frac{2a_2}{4} = \frac{1}{2}a_0[/tex]

[tex]a_5 = -\frac{2a_3}{5} = 0[/tex]

[tex]a_6 = -\frac{2a_4}{6} = -\frac{1}{6}a_0[/tex]

What is the general solution [tex]a_n?[/tex]

It seems to be of the form [tex]a_n = \left\{ \begin{array}{lr} <br /> 0, & \;n\;\text{odd}\\ <br /> \displaystyle \pm\frac{1}{ \left( \frac{n}{2} \right) !}a_0, & \;n\;\text{even}<br /> \end{array} <br /> \right.[/tex]
 
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ok, so a2n = a0/n! …

total is ∑ (x2)n/n! …

remind you of anything? :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
ok, so a2n = a0/n! …

total is ∑ (x2)n/n! …

remind you of anything? :wink:

Actually, I clearly made an algebraic error and there should be no minus sign in the recurrence relation. Then if you follow it through it gives what you have and this equals [tex]a_0 e^{x^2}[/tex]

I have another:

[PLAIN]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2091/diffeq.png

[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> xy'-y & = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (na_nx^{n} - a_nx^n )\\<br /> &= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (n-1)a_nx^{n}<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

This would imply [tex](n-1)a_n = 0 \Rightarrow a_n = 0[/tex] for all n.

But obviously the solution is [tex]y = a_0 x[/tex] so what discrepencies arise?
 
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Hi Ted123! :smile:
Ted123 said:
[tex](n-1)a_n = 0 \Rightarrow a_n = 0[/tex]

nooo :redface:

(n-1)an = 0 has two solutions :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Ted123! :smile:


nooo :redface:

(n-1)an = 0 has two solutions :wink:

[tex]n=1[/tex] is also a solution...
 
yup! :biggrin:

so when n = 1, an (ie a1) can be anything :wink:
 
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tiny-tim said:
yup! :biggrin:

so when n = 1, an (ie a1) can be anything :wink:

So how do I express the coefficients [tex]a_n[/tex] in a power series?

[tex]a_n = 0[/tex] unless n=1 in which case [tex]a_1[/tex] is arbitrary.

so [tex]y = a_1 x[/tex]

and this is easily verified by solving the equation directly.

What does it mean when it says 'explain any discrepancies which arise'?
 
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Ted123 said:
So how do I express the coefficients [tex]a_n[/tex] in a power series?

Just y = a1x (or y = Cx). :smile:
What does it mean when it says 'explain any discrepancies which arise'?

Sorry … I've no idea. :redface:
 

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