What is the process for finding the moment of inertia for a semicircle?

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The discussion revolves around finding the moment of inertia for a semicircle, with participants exploring the necessary steps and considerations involved in the process. The subject area includes geometry and mechanics, particularly focusing on centroid calculations and moment of inertia principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss a proposed multi-step process for calculating the moment of inertia, including dividing the shape into portions and finding centroids. Questions arise regarding the application of this process to a semicircle and the specific dimensions needed for calculations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problem, with some participants providing insights about necessary formulas and dimensions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the method, and participants are still seeking clarity on certain aspects of the semicircle's geometry.

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Some participants note the absence of specific dimensions and angles in the problem statement, which complicates the initial steps of the process. The mention of the parallel axis theorem indicates additional considerations that may be relevant to the calculations.

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Homework Statement


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Find lx and ly.

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So after countless studying of this topic, and no notes from my professor to help, I thought I had the process figured out. But this initial image is throwing me off a bit.

Here's what I believe to be the right process for these problems (please correct me if I'm wrong)
1) First, divide the object into portions. Find the area of each portion.
2) Next, find the x centroid of each portion, which is done by halving the width of each portion.
3) Next, find the y centroid of each portion, which is done halving the height, and adding any additional height that is below the portion.
4) Next, you multiply the area of each portion by it's x and y centroid distances.
5) Next, sum up the total area, the total (x centroid * area), and total (y centroid * area)
6) Next, figure out the X and Y centroids for the total object by dividing the summed up (x centroid * area) and (y centroid * area) respectively by the total area.
7) Now you can figure out the moment of inertia x of each portion with the specific shape formula needed (for example a rectangle being [(1/12)*b*h^3]) and then adding to it (area)*(total Y centroid - the portions Y centroid). Or I guess you just subtract whichever is smaller between the total Y centroid and portion's Y centroid.
8) For the moment of inertia y, it's the same thing except the second part of the formula would be (area)*(total X centroid - the portions X centroid).
9) At this point, you can add up the inertia parts and get the total inertia for X and Y.

Is this process correct? I'm a bit suspicious that it's not since I didn't need to use any calculus (I could've sworn this chapter was all about calculus).

But anyways, back to my main point. In this particular problem I can't actually get this process started, since they don't give all of the dimensions or any angles to figure them out. I'm also not totally sure what geometric techniques I can use on a semicircle. What is the first step here? Thanks in advance for any help.
 
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javaistheman said:
2) Next, find the x centroid of each portion, which is done by halving the width of each portion.

How does that work for the quadrant?

There are sufficient dimensions on that drawing to work out the other dimensions you need.
 
CWatters said:
How does that work for the quadrant?

There are sufficient dimensions on that drawing to work out the other dimensions you need.

What do you mean? For the bottom left piece for example, the width is 20 so I divide that in half to get 10 for the distance.

How do I find the dimensions of the top left and bottom right pieces. For the semi circle I can do ([pi*30^2]/2). Then 40*20 to get the bottom left piece. Then I'm left with nothing else. Is it possible to figure out the non-circular sides of the semi-circle?

Edit: Just realized you're referring to the semi-circle when you say "quadrant". Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get clarity on. That shape is throwing me off.
 
javaistheman said:
How do I find the dimensions of the top left and bottom right pieces.

I'm sure you are going to kick yourself...see the mods I made to the drawing..

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CWatters said:
I'm sure you are going to kick yourself...see the mods I made to the drawing..

View attachment 80690

Ha! I knew there was a basic rule that I didn't know. Thanks a lot.

I also see now that the centroid of that quadrant has it's own formula too.
 
You make no mention of the parallel axis theorem, which you will need.
It seems to me you are given all the dimensions you need if you assume that everything which looks like a right angle is a right angle.
 
javaistheman said:
Ha! I knew there was a basic rule that I didn't know. Thanks a lot.

I also see now that the centroid of that quadrant has it's own formula too.

Here's a list of centroids for other geometrical figures:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_centroids
 

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