What is the process of creating a vacuum and how does it affect air pressure?

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The discussion revolves around the process of creating a vacuum within a chamber and its effects on air pressure, particularly in relation to a jar placed inside the chamber. Participants explore the implications of air removal and the resulting pressure differentials.

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  • Participants discuss the concept of a vacuum and the conditions under which it can be created. Questions are raised about the effects of air pressure on a sealed jar and the mechanics of how a vacuum pump operates. There are inquiries about the consequences of opening a vacuum chamber after creating a vacuum.

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Some participants provide insights into the nature of pressure and vacuum, while others question the assumptions regarding pressure differentials and the behavior of the jar's lid. There is a mix of explanations about the types of machines that can create a vacuum, with some participants suggesting various methods and devices.

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Participants note the complexity of achieving a perfect vacuum and the challenges associated with different vacuum technologies. There is mention of specific conditions and materials that may affect the vacuum process, as well as the composition of air in relation to the vacuum creation.

dekoi
Suppose there exists a chamber of practical size (perhaps a prism with a square-base of 10 inch size, and 25 inch height).

Now suppose I place an open jar into the chamber.

If (and I say 'if' because i don't know how one would do this) a machine sucked all the air from the chamber, would there exist a 'vacuum' inside the chamber? If so, would placing a lid on the jar cause the lid to 'stick' to the jar's top because of difference in air pressure?

Please explain these concepts to me. Also, If my previous statements are true, what are the consequences (if any) of opening up this chamber after the procedure?
 
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A vacuum is simply a reduced amount of gas/air molecules, and a perfect vacuum would be the complete absenced of gas molecules.

Pressure of a gas is simply due to the kinetic energy of the gas and the transfer of momentum from the gas to a surface. As the temperature decreases (i.e. gas cools) or the density is decreased, the pressure is reduced.

If one has a sealed container surrounded by air/atmosphere, and one withdraws the air in the container, then the pressure outside is greater than the pressure inside. The lid sealing the container will have a greater pressure on the outside surface than on the inside, and therefore, it will experience a force pushing against the lid to keep the container sealed.

If one could exert sufficient force to open the lid, then one would hear the gas entering the container until the pressure inside and out equalized.

See - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/press.html#pre

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Precon.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/idegas.html#c1
 
Now suppose I place an open jar into the chamber.

If the jar is inside of the vacuum chamber, there will be no differential pressure between the two. The lid would not be held on.

If you put the lid on the jar, then opened the vacuum chamber to atmosphere, the lid would definitely stick on there. edit: (because the jar is sealed and is at the vacuum pressure)
 
What machine could I use to pump air out of a chamber?
 
A vacuum pump.

or a venturi set up. there's a few
 
dekoi said:
What machine could I use to pump air out of a chamber?
As Homer mentioned, a vacuum pump, but it's a bit more complicated than that, because as the is drawing down, it becomes increasingly difficult to 'pump' out the air. One could start with a diaphragm or piston, the displacement of which increases the volume which reduces the molecular density.

At some point, a molecular diffusion pump is necessary to remove the gas molecules.

For an extremely high vacuum, i.e. essentially complete absence of gas molecules, a getter is used in which the oxygen atoms react with the metal in the getter to form oxide. Such a getter might be Mg or Ti or Zr. This approach also presupposes that the atmosphere is mostly oxygen, which can be achieve by pumping pure oxygen to displace air, which is of course ~78% N2, ~21% O2 and less than 1% trace gases.
 

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