What is the range of angles for the quantum spin correlation formula?

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The discussion revolves around the quantum spin correlation formula, specifically the range of angles applicable to this formula. Participants explore the relationship between the angle of measurement and the probability of obtaining specific spin values, as well as the mathematical foundations underlying these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that measuring spin in one direction yields values of ±h/2, questioning how to determine the probability of these outcomes based on the angle between measurement directions.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for the probability (p) of measuring the same sign of spin along a new axis, expressed as p = cos(α)/2 + 50%, where α is the angle between the two axes.
  • A different participant suggests that the derivation of this formula may involve Pauli matrices acting on wavefunctions, seeking clarification on its origins.
  • One participant recommends looking into the Stern-Gerlach experiment for further insights into spin measurements.
  • A participant introduces the concept of rotation matrices and provides a specific matrix for j = 1/2, explaining how angular momentum states transform under finite rotations and the corresponding probability amplitudes for different spin states.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the source of their earlier formula, indicating it was derived from a table of spin correlations.
  • One participant presents an alternative expression for the correlation, Cos^2(theta/2) = Cos(theta)/2 + 0.5, and specifies certain angles (0°, 45°, 60°, 90°) for which this holds true.
  • A participant raises a question regarding the completeness of the quantum spin correlation formula over a range of angles, noting a discrepancy between the 180° range listed for spin correlations and the 720° rotation associated with fermions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mathematical relationships and derivations related to quantum spin correlations, with no consensus reached on the completeness of the formula or the implications of the angle ranges discussed.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical expressions and concepts, but lacks clarity on the assumptions and definitions that underpin these relationships. The connection between classical trigonometry and quantum spin measurements remains unresolved.

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So in my quantum class we learned that if you measure spin in one direction and get h/2 and then in another direction that it will be (plus or minus)h/2 as well. I was wondering how you would know the probability of it being the positive value vs the negative value. It's a function of the angle between the two directions, right?
 
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I'm just a beginner myself, so wait for other replies. I've found that if spin is measured along a given axis of a spin½ particle, then the probability (p) that spin then measured along another axis will have the same sign (+ or -) is:

p = cos(α)/2 + 50%,

where α is the angle the new axis makes with the original axis.

Good luck!
 
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That looks like it works. Do you know where this comes from? I figured it involves the pauli matrices in each of two orthogonal directions acting on the possible wavefunctions, but I wasn't sure how to arrange that into an equation.
 
you want to look at stern-gerlach experiment i think. should be some good reading.
 
Under a finite rotation, angular momentum states transform into each other with the aid of a unitary matrix. Naturally this matrix is called the rotation matrix, and written d(j)mm'(β) = (j m'|exp(iβ/ħ Jy)|j m) where β is the angle. For j = 1/2, d(j)mm'(β) = \left(\begin{array}{cc}cos(β/2) &sin(β/2)\\- sin(β/2)&cos(β/2)\end{array}\right) Thus, if you have a state with Jz = +1/2 and describe it in terms of the spin states quantized along an axis inclined at an angle β to the z axis, the probability amplitude of finding Jβ = +1/2 is cos(β/2) and the probability amplitude of finding Jβ = -1/2 is sin(β/2).
 
gametheory said:
That looks like it works. Do you know where this comes from?

I'm afraid I made mine up from a table of some spin correlations.
 
I think that:

Cos^2(theta/2) = Cos(theta)/2 + .5

Where theta = {0, 45, 60, 90 degrees} that looks pretty good. :smile:
 
Interesting! My daughter's old precalculus book lists the "Double Angle Formulas":

cos2θ = 2cos2θ -1 = 1 - 2sin2θ = cos2θ - sin2θ, also

sin2θ = 2sinθcosθ

This raised a follow-up question, if I may. (I'll start a new thread if needed.)
Over what range of angles is the quantum spin correlation formula considered complete?

The table I had listed five spin correlations from 0° to 180°. Classical trigonometry addresses 360° in its unit circle. But it seems that quantum spin is associated with a 720° rotation, at least for fermions.
 
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