What is the Real Life Twin Paradox?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the real-life implications of the twin paradox, particularly in the context of astronaut twins Scott and Mark Kelly. Participants explore the nuances of age differences due to both relativistic effects and biological factors, including conception and birth timing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference an article stating that Scott Kelly will be about 28 microseconds younger than Mark Kelly after a year in orbit, suggesting this as a real-life example of the twin paradox.
  • Others argue that the intrinsic age difference due to the time taken for the second twin to be born outweighs the relativistic correction, questioning the significance of the 28 microseconds.
  • One participant emphasizes the complexity of the twins' development in the womb, noting that they were conceived at the same time, which complicates the discussion of age differences.
  • There is a humorous exchange regarding the implications of the twins' conception and the biological aspects of female reproduction.
  • Another participant mentions that the health effects of space travel may lead to Scott having a lower life expectancy than Mark, suggesting that the relativistic age difference may not be the only factor to consider.
  • Some participants joke about the absurdity of discussing the twin paradox in light of the mother's experience during childbirth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the significance of the age difference due to relativistic effects versus biological factors. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the implications of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining age differences, including assumptions about conception timing and the effects of space travel on health, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Landed on this PBS page, and read that there is going to be a real life twin paradox.

Excerpt from the article "Astronaut twins Scott and Mark Kelly are about to realize this experiment: when Scott returns from a year in orbit in 2016 he will be about 28 microseconds younger than Mark, who is staying on Earth."

Hopefully Scott's 28 millionths of a second age advantage doesn't spark a sibling rivalry. That's got to be a record age differential between twins.
 
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I believe the intrinsic age difference due to the time it takes a woman to give birth to the second twin significantly outweights this correction.
 
Orodruin said:
I believe the intrinsic age difference due to the time it takes a woman to give birth to the second twin significantly outweights this correction.
Boo! Of course the basis for the fun in this is the assumption they were born at the same time...remarkable woman!

Whats more here (if we're getting technical) is the development of Scott and Mark in the womb. If I understand right...it's complicated enough to just say the were conceived at the same time.
 
nitsuj said:
conceived at the same time.
Identical twins are conceived as one child and then the egg splits in two.
 
jerromyjon said:
Identical twins are conceived as one child and then the egg splits in two.

Well that wraps up the reasoning, the twins have zero age difference at conception...and in the most physically strict sense possible!

Girls have eggs?? I'm gunna go post some questions in the Biology Forum.
 
nitsuj said:
Girls have eggs?? I'm gunna go post some questions in the Biology Forum.
Don't bother. It's dominated by dogmatically-entrenched supporters of the stork theory.
 
nitsuj said:
the twins have zero age difference at conception...and in the most physically strict sense possible!
I suppose for completeness I should stress, as Orodruin mentioned, this is where the identities begin to deviate. Milliseconds of longevity gained in maturity is about as significant as one twin having a momentarily sticky keystroke while the other's is smooth.
 
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Given all the negative health effects of being in space, Scott probably has a lower life expectancy. By more than 28 microseconds.
 
nitsuj said:
Of course the basis for the fun in this is the assumption they were born at the same time...remarkable woman!
Aack! That would be horrible. Poor woman.

Should we ban all future discussions of the twin paradox on the grounds that an experimental resolution would be completely inhumane to the twin's mother?
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Don't bother. It's dominated by dogmatically-entrenched supporters of the stork theory.
Now if only we knew the airspeed velocity of an unladen stork...
 
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jerromyjon said:
I suppose for completeness I should stress, as Orodruin mentioned, this is where the identities begin to deviate. Milliseconds of longevity gained in maturity is about as significant as one twin having a momentarily sticky keystroke while the other's is smooth.
Of course, and why i joked in that post "hoping" it wouldn't cause a sibling rivalry. Though I was thinking along the lines of experience, nobody fights over keystrokes...or do thea?
 

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