What is the relation between Temperature and Quantum State?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature and quantum states, particularly in the context of the hydrogen atom and superconductivity. Participants explore how temperature influences quantum states and the behavior of materials at different temperatures, especially regarding electrical conductivity and superconductivity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving the hydrogen atom and questions how to relate its quantum state to a specific temperature and its electrical conductivity.
  • Another participant emphasizes that temperature is meaningful in thermal equilibrium, referencing the grand canonical ensemble and the statistical operator that describes the system's state.
  • A participant expresses interest in understanding superconductivity from a quantum perspective, questioning how temperature relates to quantum mechanics in this context.
  • There are inquiries about theories that can predict the temperature at which a solid transitions to a superconducting state, specifically asking if knowledge of a unit Bravais cell can lead to such predictions.
  • Several participants suggest looking into BCS theory as a framework for understanding superconductivity from a quantum field theoretical standpoint.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between temperature and quantum states, particularly regarding the applicability of temperature in non-equilibrium situations and the specifics of superconductivity. No consensus is reached on how to directly relate temperature to quantum states in the context of superconductivity.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about temperature's role in quantum mechanics and the specific conditions under which superconductivity occurs. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these relationships.

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Hi folks,

Let's pick a simple example, the H atom. We can calculate all spherical armonics, all quantum numbers so we are able to know which are all the possible states of the electron. We know all the values this observables can take. But the question is, let's say we have a handbook of properties from Hydrogen and we find that at temperature T, the electrical conductivity is X. What is the corresponding state of the atom at that temperature?
 
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I don't understand what you are after. Temperature makes sense in thermal equilibrium only, and this is described by the grand canonical ensemble, i.e., the state
$$\hat{\rho}=\frac{1}{Z} \exp(-\beta \hat{H}), \quad Z=\mathrm{Tr} \exp(-\beta \hat{H}),$$
where ##\hat{H}## is the Hamiltonian of the (many-body) system. That's the relation between temperature ##T=1/\beta## (in natural units, where ##k_{\text{B}}=1##) and the state, reprsented by the grand-canonical statistical operator.
 
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vanhees71 said:
I don't understand what you are after. Temperature makes sense in thermal equilibrium only, and this is described by the grand canonical ensemble, i.e., the state
$$\hat{\rho}=\frac{1}{Z} \exp(-\beta \hat{H}), \quad Z=\mathrm{Tr} \exp(-\beta \hat{H}),$$
where ##\hat{H}## is the Hamiltonian of the (many-body) system. That's the relation between temperature ##T=1/\beta## (in natural units, where ##k_{\text{B}}=1##) and the state, reprsented by the grand-canonical statistical operator.

Thanks for your answer.

I have found a related thread, I apologize for that:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/relation-between-quantum-mechanics-and-temperature.426455/

Well what I wanted to understand is Superconductivity. We have a solid, and we know at certain temperature it goes to superconductor mode and energy loss for the current is 0. But I wanted to understand what it means from the quantum point of view. Since temperature is not a quantum magnitude I wanted to know how it relates to quantum mechanics.

In superconductivity you have a solid, you have its behavior under different temperatures regarding its electric conductivity. Do you know if there is any theory that tells you at what temperature the solid goes to superconductivity mode?

I mean, if I give you as an input a unit Bravais cell, Would you be able to tell me the temperature for superconductivity?
 
Look for "BCS theory" which describes superconductivity quantum(-field) theoretically. A very good book about superfluidity and superconductivity is

A. Schmitt, Indroduction to Superfluidity, Springer (2015)
 
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vanhees71 said:
Look for "BCS theory" which describes superconductivity quantum(-field) theoretically. A very good book about superfluidity and superconductivity is

A. Schmitt, Indroduction to Superfluidity, Springer (2015)

THanks, I will do.
 

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