What is the Relationship Between EM Wave Velocity and Electric Field in Space?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between electromagnetic wave velocity and the electric field in the context of Maxwell's equations. Participants are exploring how to express the velocity of EM waves in terms of the permittivity (\(\epsilon_{0}\)) and permeability (\(\mu_{0}\)) of free space.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the wave equation from Maxwell's equations and the implications for wave velocity. There are attempts to substitute expressions for the electric field into the wave equation, and questions about the correct form of the wave equation and the relationship between the electric field and wave velocity are raised.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical relationships involved. Some have suggested revisiting previous work to clarify misunderstandings, while others are exploring the implications of their findings regarding the wave equation and the electric field.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the correct application of Maxwell's equations and the definitions involved, particularly in terms of how the electric field is treated in relation to wave velocity.

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Homework Statement



Find the velocity of EM waves as a function of [tex]\epsilon_{0}[/tex] and [tex]\mu_{0}[/tex]

2. The attempt at a solution

[tex]E = E_{0}cos(kx-\omega t)[/tex]

Using [tex]v= \frac{\omega}{k}[/tex]
 
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When you used Maxwell's equations to derive the wave equation, you should have ended up with an answer to this :wink:
 
No, I didn't. But I can substitute my expression for E into the wave equation. What is [tex]\vec{\nabla}^{2}E[/tex]?

[tex]\frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial x^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial t^{2}}[/tex]?
 
kasse said:
No, I didn't.

Last time I checked, Maxwell's equations were in terms of [itex]\epsilon_0[/tex] and [itex]\mu_0[/itex] not [itex]c[/itex]; so you should have ended up with a wave equation where the propagation speed is in terms of [itex]\epsilon_0[/tex] and [itex]\mu_0[/itex]...if you didn't, then you did something wrong...I think you should go back to that problem and show me your work.[/itex][/itex]
 
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Of course...

So [tex]\vec{\nabla}^{2}E[/tex] = [tex]\frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial x^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial y^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial z^{2}}[/tex] (only spatial dimension, not time)?
 
Did you even read my last post?
 
Yes.[tex]\frac{1}{v^{2}} = \mu_{0}\epsilon_{0}[/tex], so [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{\epsilon_{0}\mu_{0}}} = v[/tex]. That's what you meant, right?

That would mean that (if I substitute my expression for E into the wave equation) [tex]\vec{\nabla}^{2}E = \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial x^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial y^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial z^{2}}[/tex].

Can I also write [tex]\vec{\nabla}^{2}E = \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial \vec{r}^{2}}[/tex]?
 
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kasse said:
Yes.[tex]\frac{1}{v^{2}} = \mu_{0}\epsilon_{0}[/tex], so [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{\epsilon_{0}\mu_{0}}} = v[/tex]. That's what you meant, right?
Yes.

That would mean that (if I substitute my expression for E into the wave equation) [tex]\vec{\nabla}^{2}E = \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial x^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial y^{2}} + \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial z^{2}}[/tex].

Can I also write [tex]\vec{\nabla}^{2}E = \frac{\partial^{2}E}{\partial \vec{r}^{2}}[/tex]?

First, the electric field is vector, not a scalar so this relation is incorrect...second what does this have to do with finding v...or anything else for that matter? :confused:
 

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