What is the Relationship Between Probabilities of Independent Events?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the probabilities of three independent events, E1, E2, and E3. The original poster presents equations that involve the probabilities of these events occurring individually and not occurring at all, seeking to understand how to manipulate these equations to find a specific ratio of probabilities.

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  • Participants explore the implications of independence in probability and how to express the given probabilities in terms of unknowns. There are attempts to rearrange equations and simplify expressions to find the desired ratio of probabilities.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting alternative representations of the probabilities to simplify the equations. There is acknowledgment of varying levels of success in manipulating the equations, with one participant indicating they reached the answer while another is still seeking clarity.

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Participants note that all probabilities are constrained within the interval (0,1) and that the original poster is struggling with the setup of the equations and their implications. There is a focus on ensuring that the expressions used are manageable to avoid errors in calculations.

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Homework Statement


Of the three independent events E1 , E2 and E3, the probability that only E1 occurs is α, only E2 occurs is β and only E3 occurs is γ. Let the probability p that none of the events E1 , E2 and E3 occurs satisfy the equations
## (α - 2β) p = αβ ## and ## (β - 3γ) p = 2βγ ##.
All the given probabilities are assumed to lie in the interval (0,1).
Then, (Probability of occurrence of E1) / (Probability of occurrence of E3) =

Answer is 6.

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I don't know how to use those equations. All I know is what regions α, β, γ and p represent. α ≡ region 1, β ≡ region 3, γ ≡ region 7 and
1 - regions(1+2+3+4+5+6+7) = p. How do I proceed?
 
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The key is that the events are independent, so the probabilities of the joint occurrence or non-occurrence of different events is simply the product of the individual probabilities.

To use that fact, define A, B, C to be the probabilities of occurrence of each of the three events. Then you can write ##\alpha,\beta,\gamma## and ##p## each in terms of A,B,C.

Then your two equations above will be equations in terms of unknown probabilities A, B and C and you are asked to find A/C. See if you can rearrange the two equations so that they are in terms of the two unknowns B and A/C. If you can do that, you will have two equations and two unknowns, which you can solve.
 
I did that actually, it didn't lead anywhere. Let me post it.
 
I tried it and it worked for me: I got 6. There's an awful lot of cancelling that happens when you write out the equations, and it simplifies nicely.
Perhaps you made a misstep somewhere that stopped things from cancelling as they should.
 
Let P(E1) = a , P(E2) = b and P(E3) = c.

α = a - ab - ac + abc
β = b - ab - bc + abc
γ = c - ac - bc + abc
p = (1-a)(1-b)(1-c)

I can't use these to solve the equations. I tried various ways, it's not working.
 
Oh perhaps. Let me check again.
 
Try the following. It'll be less messy, and hence less likely to generate mistakes. Write ##a'## for ##1-a, b'## for ##1-b, c'## for ##1-c##.
Then you get ##\alpha=ab'c',\beta=a'bc',\gamma=ab'c',p=a'b'c'## which is much neater and easier to use.
Write your two equations out using ##a,b,c,a',b',c'## and you'll find you can do a lot of cancelling and greatly simplify them before you need to convert ##a', b' c'## back to expressions in terms of ##a,b,c##.

If it doesn't work, post what you did.
 
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Thank you so much! I got it :)
 

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