What is the relationship between the exterior and cross products?

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The discussion explores the relationship between exterior products and cross products, focusing on their definitions, dimensionality, and geometric interpretations. It includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning relevant to vector spaces.

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  • One participant questions the relationship between exterior products and cross products, referencing a Wikipedia statement about interpreting the cross product as a wedge product in three dimensions using Hodge duality.
  • Another participant asserts that the cross product is defined specifically in three dimensions as the dual of the exterior product, providing a mathematical expression involving a pseudoscalar.
  • A different participant elaborates on the dimensional differences, stating that the cross product results in a vector in R^3, while the exterior product yields a bivector in R^n, suggesting a geometric interpretation involving volumes and spans of vectors.
  • This participant also proposes that the cross product can be generalized to more than two vectors in higher dimensions, discussing how n-1 vectors can define a volume and how this relates to the concept of cross products.
  • The idea is presented that the cross product of n-1 vectors results in a vector perpendicular to them, with its length representing the volume of the n-1 block they span.
  • The exterior product is described as a representation of the n-1 block, including its span and volume, with a suggestion that one could form the cross product of k vectors in n space to yield an (n-k) multivector.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the relationship between exterior and cross products, with no consensus reached on the interpretations or implications of their definitions and properties.

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The discussion includes complex mathematical concepts that may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about vector spaces and dimensionality, which are not fully resolved.

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How are the exterior products and the cross products related?

Wikipedia says: "The cross product can be interpreted as the wedge product in three dimensions after using Hodge duality to identify 2-vectors with vectors."
 
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the cross product of 2 vectors in R^3 is another vector in R^3. The exterior product of two vectors in R^n is a bivector in a space of dimension "n choose 2".

Thus we get an object in a 3 dimensional space from the exterior product of 2 vectors in R^3, which by choosing a basis, of merely volume form, we can view as a vector.

In R^n we could similarly view a product of n-1 vectors as a vector, so we could take the cross product of more than 2 vectors in higher dimensions.

the geometry is that if we have n-1 vectors they usually span an n-1 dimensional block. so they act on vectors as follows: given another vector, all together we get an n dimensional block and we can take its volume.

thus n-1 vectors assign a number to another vector, the volume of that block.

moreover if the last vector chosen is in the spane of the first n-1, the number assigned is zero. so we could represent this action by dotting with some vector perpendicular to the span of the first n-1 vectors. this last named vector would be called the cross product of the first n-1.

i.e. the cross product of n-1 vectors is a vector perpendicualr to them, whose length equals the volume of the n-1 block they span, and whose orientation with them gives an oriented n block.

the exterior product of n-1 vectors is a gadget representing the n-1 block they span, including its span and its volume.

thus one could also form the cross product of k vectors in n space, getting an (n-k) multivector. you just need enough to fill out an n block.
 

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