What is the relationship between the Wronskian and linear independence?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the Wronskian and linear independence of functions, particularly in the context of differential equations. Participants explore the implications of the Wronskian being zero or non-zero and how it relates to the linear independence of solutions.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about how a non-zero Wronskian implies linear independence among solutions.
  • Another participant clarifies that a Wronskian that is identically zero indicates linear dependence, while a non-zero Wronskian suggests that the solutions are not multiples of each other.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the idea that if a linear combination of functions equals zero, the Wronskian can be viewed as a coefficient matrix, and its determinant being non-zero indicates unique solutions, implying independence.
  • Questions arise regarding the necessity of differentiating functions to construct the Wronskian matrix.

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Participants exhibit uncertainty regarding the implications of the Wronskian and whether the process of differentiation is fully understood. Multiple competing views on the interpretation of the Wronskian and its role in determining linear independence remain present.

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There are limitations in understanding the conditions under which the Wronskian indicates linear dependence or independence, as well as the mathematical steps involved in constructing the Wronskian matrix.

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hmm I don't think I have the concept of the wronksian down all the way yet.

mainly I'm having trouble seeing how the the wronksian not equaling zero implies that all the solutions are linearly independent of each other.
 
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Wronskian

Remember when back in Algebra you had to decide wether two lines were parallel, or the same line? When the distance between the two lines you had to work with was zero, you decided that this could only be when the two lines are one and the same, point for point. Think of that analogy here.

First of all, getting zero for a Wronskian does not imply linear dependence - that's only when the Wronskian is identically zero - which means zero for all X. [Pretty strict condition]. When you use the Wronskian to check for linear independence, what you are actually doing is checking if the two solutions are multiples of each other. If you calculate the Wronksian and get identically zero, that is, zero for every point on the interval, that means that that the functions are linearly dependent. If the Wronskian yields anything else, the solutions are linearly dependent and they are not multiples of each other. I hope this helps!
 
If you have n functions, fi(x), and n numbers, ai, such that a1f1(x)+ ...+ anfn(x)= 0 for all x, then you can make that into n equations for the ais by taking n derivatives (to get n equations) and taking x= 0 (or any other fixed number). The Wronskian, in that case, evaluated at x= 0 or whatever number, is simply the coefficient matrix. As long as that matrix does not have 0 determinant, you could find the unique solution multiplying by its inverse matrix. Obviously, ai= 0 for all i is a solution. If the determinant of the Wronskian is not 0, it is the only solution and so the functions are independent. If the determinant is 0, then there is no unique solution. (In general, if the determinant of the coefficient matrix for n equations is 0, either there is no solution or there are an infinite number of solutions. In this case, ai= 0 is an obvious solution so there must be an infinite number of solutions.)
 
but then why do we differentiate the function to fill up the matrix?
 
Then you can use it to show a homogeneous linear DE of order N cannot have more than N linear independent solutions by just taking a linear combination of rows. If y is a solution to the DE, then the D.E. for y is just a coefficient of the vector from a linear combination of the rows of the Wronskian
 
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CPL.Luke said:
but then why do we differentiate the function to fill up the matrix?
All I can do is repeat what I said before:
If you have n functions, fi(x), and n numbers, ai, such that a1f1(x)+ ...+ anfn(x)= 0 for all x, then you can make that into n equations for the ais by taking n derivatives (to get n equations) and taking x= 0 (or any other fixed number).
 

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