What is the Relationship Between Vectors and Normed Linear Spaces?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between vectors and norms in normed linear spaces, specifically focusing on proving that the absolute value of the components of a vector is less than or equal to the norm of the vector itself.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the properties of norms, particularly the triangle inequality, and consider various representations of vectors. Questions arise regarding the generality of the norm being discussed and the implications of specific assumptions, such as orthogonality.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning the validity of certain assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the triangle inequality, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to proving the initial claim.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of norms in general versus specific cases, and there is a mention of the standard norm and its implications in the context of the discussion.

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I'm trying to do a problem concerning converging sequences in normed linear spaces. Can anyone help me prove that if x=(x1,x2...,xn) is a vector in an n dimensional vector space then |xi| where i=1,2...,n; is always less than or equal to ||x|| (norm of x). Maybe start out by writing x as a sum of n multiples of the basis vectors?
 
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its not quite true, should be less than or equal..

is this the usual norm or just a norm in general?
 
yeah, i forgot to put in the "or equal to". It is any norm in general.
 
so what do you know about a norm that may help?

in particular, i would look at the triangle inequality
 
Oster said:
I still can't see it.
Triangle inequality -> ||a+b|| <= ||a|| + ||b||
and ||x-y|| <= ||x-z|| + ||y-z||

how about considering
x1 = (x1,0,0,..) and
x = x1 + u
or maybe even better
x1 = x+(-u)
 
uhhh
So I have ||x1|| = |x1| <= ||x|| + ||u||
 
I still don't see how the triangle inequality implies this =/. I think I proved it using orthogonality and inner product properties in the finite dimensional case.

Assume the negation is true. There exists a non-zero vector x=(x1,x2...xn) such that
|x1| > ||x|| writing out with an orthonormal basis, we get ||x1e1|| > ||x1e1...+xnen||.
On squaring, we'd get x1^2 > x1^2 +... + xn^2 whiich is a contradiction?
 
so this assumes the standard norm - is that ok?
 

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