What is the role of drag moment in the net momentum formula for quadrotors?

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The discussion revolves around the role of drag moment in the net momentum formula for quadrotors, particularly focusing on the mathematical representation of moments and forces acting on the propellers. Participants explore the implications of drag moments in the context of quadrotor dynamics and seek clarification on the underlying theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for moment that includes drag moment, questioning its addition and suggesting it may vary based on the reference point.
  • Another participant encourages experimentation with calculating moments of blade drag forces around different reference points to gain insight.
  • A request is made for clarification on the meaning of the term M_i, with a participant expressing confusion about how it fits into the overall formula.
  • One participant asserts that M represents the total moment of all aerodynamic forces on the blades, which are in the plane of the propeller disc.
  • Another participant reiterates their desire to understand the origin of M in the general formula, indicating it is not specific to quadrotors but rather a broader theoretical inquiry.
  • A later reply suggests that M is simply an external moment, leaving the discussion open to interpretation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the role and origin of the drag moment in the formula. There is no consensus on the implications of M_i or its derivation, indicating ongoing uncertainty and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the understanding of moments may depend on the choice of reference points, and there is ambiguity regarding the definitions and calculations involved in the moments of forces acting on the quadrotor.

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While watching lecture at Coursera, i tumbled over this fourmula

Moment
[tex]\mathbf{M}=\sum_{i=1}^{4}(\mathbf{F}_i\times \mathbf{r}_i+\mathbf{M}_i)[/tex]
where F is uplift force from a propeller, and M is drag moment for a propeller.

But why they add drag moment(torque) like that? Maybe it will differ for central point.

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harmyder said:
Maybe it will differ for central point.
Try it out by computing the moments of the blade drag forces around different reference points.
 
A.T. said:
Try it out by computing the moments of the blade drag forces around different reference points.
Thanks, it is true for two points on the picture, but can you name the rule? I want to read it whole to understand it better. Thank you.
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Could somebody write what are these [itex]M_i[/itex]? Because i still don't understand how it works, i think every moment must be calculated about some point.

I have found this formula
[tex] \begin{equation}<br /> \dot{\mathbf{H}}_O = \sum(\mathbf{r}_i \times m_i\dot{\mathbf{v}}_i) = \sum(\mathbf{r}_i \times \mathbf{F}_i + \mathbf{M}_i)<br /> \end{equation}[/tex]
but i don't understand from where [itex]\mathbf{M}_i[/itex] came, because i think that [itex]m_i\dot{\mathbf{v}}_i = \mathbf{F}_i[/itex]
 
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harmyder said:
i don't understand from where [itex]\mathbf{M}_i[/itex] came,
Didn't you explain it yourself:
harmyder said:
and M is drag moment for a propeller.
It's the total moment of all aerodynamic forces on the blades, which are in the plane of the propeller disc.
 
A.T. said:
Didn't you explain it yourself:
Well, yes, but here i want to know from where [itex]M[/itex] came in this general formula [itex](1).[/itex] It is unrelated for quadrotor, just to understand underlying theory.
 
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harmyder said:
Well, yes, but here i want to know from where [itex]M[/itex] came in this general formula [itex](1).[/itex] It is unrelated for quadrotor, just to understand underlying theory.
In general it's just some external moment.
 
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