What is the Role of Metaphysics in the Age of Scientific Advancements?

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The discussion centers around the role of metaphysics in light of advancements in physics, exploring whether metaphysics can maintain relevance independent of scientific progress. Participants examine the implications of metaphysical concepts, particularly "nothingness," and how they relate to current physical theories and understandings.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that metaphysics needs to be redefined to align with advancements in physics, particularly in understanding concepts like "nothingness."
  • There is a proposal that metaphysics may evolve from being "meta" to "cum" physics, seeking explanations for findings in physics.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the boundary between scientific and metaphysical explanations, questioning when understanding can be asserted.
  • One participant posits that the exploration of "nothingness" is as complex as explaining physical entities like electrons.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that perception could serve as a bridge between scientific and metaphysical realms, referencing superstring theory as an example.
  • Some contributions reflect on the philosophical implications of existence and the enduring question of "being," referencing Heidegger's enigma regarding existence versus nothingness.
  • A participant discusses the potential for a unified understanding that could elevate human consciousness and physicality, suggesting a connection between scientific understanding and spiritual growth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relevance and evolution of metaphysics in relation to physics, with no clear consensus on how these fields interact or the implications of "nothingness." The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on specific interpretations of metaphysical concepts and their relationship to physics, which may depend on individual definitions and philosophical backgrounds. The discussion also highlights the complexity of bridging scientific and metaphysical inquiries.

  • #31
wuliheron said:
Words only have demonstrable meaning according to their function in a given context. This includes, of course, the phrase, "Whole of Knowledge".

Just what the heck does that mean?

The possibility that Science be a whole of knowledge, not only a method, as it is clear in the whole of the phrase of my question.

Your constant appeal to "context", even when context is absolutely obvious, changes a discussion in a unended play of words. :zzz:


Best wishes.
 
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  • #32
making nothing from something, or something from nothing would suggest to me a 'nonphysical' goal, ie. of the mind/soul. is this what you mean? for example emotion, alternative states of conscioussness etc would constitute 'nonphysical' phenomena maybe. love/hate for example surely would be too complex to study on a wave/particle level, although they definitely manifest on such a level. theories on energy are important though, and the balance between binaries like give/take, cause/affect etc could be clues as to how to study systems such as these. (is this anything to do with your post?)

making something from nothing (in a physical context) would be 'creation', or 'playing god' no? and I'm sure it would be hard work! lots of energy required.
but then when i think about it more and more, virtuality using computers is somewhat something out of nothing. ie. sometimes i will become emotional while playing a computer game (sad as it may seem!), and indeed playing the game would be playing 'nothing', and any response would be a response simply to a bunch of numbers churning away in the background. ??

Actually come to think of it a personal reaction to any sort of sensory experience, is in a way spawned from nothing. ie. the experience may move one person (ie. a musical piece, or in fact a message on this forum) but not another person... nahh I'm just babbling on

by communicating in these forums and in general though, one is certainly able to learn about ones self and others! :smile: i know i have already...
 
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  • #33
magus niche said:
... nahh I'm just babbling on

by communicating in these forums and in general though, one is certainly able to learn about ones self and others! :smile: i know i have already...

"Nahh I'm just babbling on"
No, you are producing quality thought.

"learn about ones self and others!"
And perhaps you will continue do do so in some very important ways.
PLEASE STAND BY...
Shoshana
 
  • #34
ryokan said:
The possibility that Science be a whole of knowledge, not only a method, as it is clear in the whole of the phrase of my question.

Your constant appeal to "context", even when context is absolutely obvious, changes a discussion in a unended play of words. :zzz:


Best wishes.

Your efforts have not gone unnoticed.
PLEASE STAND BY.
Shoshana
 
  • #35
What is the difference between Philosophy and Pseudophilosophy? This question would be equal to this other: What is Philosophy?
 
  • #36
Ryokan,
I feel your right; pseudo-philosophy is about the same as pseudo-metaphysics. Both pseudo and philosophy or metaphysics are still pretty much in a category with to many variables. What is viable needs to be established. What doesn't work needs to be put into the closet for future consideration. There is obvously a great deal of wisdom out there. We have to stop chatting and start charting this stuff.
Please contact me.
Shoshana
 
  • #37
Why do you come on this thread with something you were locked for on another yesterday. Do you intend to close this thread also?
 
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  • #38
I guess that metaphysics and philosophy have always dealt with the limits of thought and reasoning. When thinking in terms of philosophy you can easily reach a point of contradiction and from there on the sky is the limit. Hegel created a complete philosophy on contradctions, Nietzsch wrote wildy insane things etc.
 

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