What is the root of procrastination and motivation?

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The discussion explores the concepts of procrastination and motivation, examining their philosophical underpinnings and psychological aspects. Participants consider various factors that influence motivation, including success, survival instincts, and cost-benefit analyses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that success leads to increased motivation, while failure can result in self-doubt and decreased motivation.
  • One viewpoint posits that human beings are naturally inclined to conserve energy for activities directly related to survival, making them reluctant to engage in modern tasks that do not provide immediate rewards.
  • Another perspective introduces a cost-benefit analysis framework, where motivation is seen as a function of the perceived effort required to achieve a reward versus the value of that reward.
  • There is mention of diminishing returns in motivation, implying that as effort increases without corresponding rewards, motivation may decrease.
  • A participant humorously notes that unmotivation or laziness can be a reason for procrastination, suggesting a cyclical relationship between achievement and motivation.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature of motivation and procrastination, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation or model. Multiple competing perspectives remain throughout the discussion.

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Some arguments depend on assumptions about human psychology and behavior, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of motivation or the factors influencing procrastination.

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Philosophically, I have noticed that the more we win, the less lazy we get so we don't procastinate as much. And the more we lose, the more we self-doubt and lose hope. Why? What is motivation fundamentally?
 
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winning is the motivation
 
the human body and mind are adapted to only exert energy and effort for activities which directly result in survival: hunting/finding food/water/shelter- the vast majority of human activities in modern humans are NOT directly and many not even indirectly involved with survival- or like going to a job are several indirect steps removed from getting survival resources-

so I would suggest that most humans are naturally reluctant to engage in most modern activities- the body will resist spending valuable energy on some activity which isn't immediatley/directly providing desired resources- we have to overcome natural conservation through willpower
 
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You could think about this from a cost-benefit point of view.

We are motivated to solve a problem based on a perceived reward of some sort. I suspect that we perform a preliminary meta-analysis which results in an estimate of how much effort would be needed to get to the reward. This may be partly or fully subconscious, it seems to be in many cases in my experience. Anyway if the estimated cost is acceptable to us we are "motivated" to solve the problem.

We try a strategy, if that strategy fails we may try to modify it or try a different one. Eventually as we invest more and more "energy" without progress our certainty of getting to the solution within a certain amount of effort decreases. It may be that we reach a point in this process where our meta-analysis of the effort expended vs the reward of success no longer appears worthwhile.

If this is true then motivation is just a representation of our cost benefit estimate with regard to a particular goal. This way of looking at it certainly explains why we are more likely to be lazy when we don't like the reward very much. Most of us would rather go to the movies then clean spilled milk off the floor, even though going to the movie theater costs us a lot more in terms of time, money and energy.
 
diminishing returns
 
I'll tell you tomorrow :wink:

Because they are unmotivated or lazy or both.
 
Skhandelwal said:
Philosophically, I have noticed that the more we win, the less lazy we get so we don't procastinate as much. And the more we lose, the more we self-doubt and lose hope. Why? What is motivation fundamentally?

A person who achieves a lot might become lazy. A person who achieves nothing might become motivated to achieve something.

Don't undercomplicate things. ;)
 

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