What is the significance of the E/M ratio in modern physics?

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The discussion centers around the significance of the E/M ratio, particularly in the context of a project involving a Helmholtz coil. Participants explore the importance of the E/M ratio in modern physics and its implications for fundamental constants and experimental physics.

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  • One participant inquires about the importance of the E/M ratio and its relevance to modern physics, specifically in relation to a project involving a Helmholtz coil.
  • Another participant clarifies that E/M refers to the electron's charge divided by its mass and suggests that while it can be used to find fundamental constants, its standalone significance may be limited.
  • A third participant elaborates on the E/M experiment, highlighting its demonstration of the force on a charged particle in a magnetic field and its role in determining the mass of electrons and protons. They also connect the E/M ratio to Millikan's oil drop experiment and the calculation of the Rydberg energy in the context of the Bohr model of the hydrogen atom.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous contribution as more informative, indicating a recognition of the value in the elaboration provided.

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The discussion does not present a consensus on the significance of the E/M ratio; rather, it reflects multiple perspectives on its importance and implications in modern physics.

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Participants express varying levels of certainty regarding the significance of the E/M ratio, with some suggesting it may not hold much standalone importance while others emphasize its foundational role in determining fundamental constants.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in physics, particularly those exploring experimental methods and the historical context of fundamental constants in modern physics.

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What is importance of finding E/M?
I am doing a project on E/M and helmholtz coil. I heard that E/M is beginning of the Modern Physics. Can you tell me more about this experiment and why is it so important to know this ratio?
I also want to be refereed to some sources in which i can get whole a lot of information about this experiment and it's significance.
Please provide me with as much sources as you can.
 
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By E/M do you mean electron's charge divided by the mass of the electron (usually denoted e/m)? e/m can be used to find some fundamental constants (e.g. e, or m), after some other experiments are made. e/m itself, I'm not sure has too much significance...
 
First, the e/m experiment itself demonstrates the very important concept of a v x B (vector cross product) force on a charged particle in a Helmholtz coil. See attached thumbnail. The force on the electron is perpendicular to both its velocity and the magnetic field.

The measurement of e/m for electrons and protons was very important for determining the mass of the electron and proton (and other charged particles). But in order to get the mass, the charge had to be determined. So this is why Milliken's oil drop experiment (1913) was also so important. Knowing the electron mass from e/m and Milliken's measurement, the electron mass (actually mc2) could be used to calculate the Rydberg energy (13.6 eV) using the first quantum mechanical description (Bohr model) of the hydrogen atom. This could then be used to compare to laboratory measurements of the wavelength of observed atomic transitions (Balmer, Lyman, Paschen etc.).

Look up the url in the thumbnail for more information on the e/m experiment..

Bob S
 

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Bob's answer is a lot better than mine...listen to him haha.
 

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